Talk:Kosovo: A Moment in Civilization

ABF

Regarding the alleged cancellation of the screening of this film in Stockholm, could anyone find any links from ABF confirming that it has been cancelled? This might be Albanian propaganda to create confusion, because when it comes to canceling an event at some venue, the venue is the one that cancels it, not the media. Not to mention that the article is based on a Facebook status without any proof. I don't see how this is a reliable source. --UrbanVillager (talk) 10:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

The source refers to info on radio, that is the source rather than Facebook or ABF. If the claim needs to be credited to that radio, so be it. A primary source is not required. Pincrete (talk) 10:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

So, the source is referring to a different source. Where is that different source? In fact, it says that the different source is also based on the Facebook status. I'm sorry, but I still don't see how this is a reliable source. It's not a matter of classifying it as primary or secondary, but rather a question of reliability. It's not reliable if portals just write an article based on a Facebook status with no evidence whatsoever. You could write that Malagurski is an evil clown and an Albanian portal could write an article about it, but without any evidence, it's just not reliable. Do you have any firm evidence? A confirmation from ABF? --UrbanVillager (talk) 10:40, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Also, please do not keep adding the text. Revert your edit and let's debate this. The text can be added once we reach a consensus. --UrbanVillager (talk) 10:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

And in addition, you can't add one source as a link and claim in the article that it's a different source. This is just invalid! --UrbanVillager (talk) 10:43, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Perfectly valid source A says that person/source B said this today, but I can't be bothered. I feel sorry for BM producing the same dreary propaganda as 12 years ago, how the mighty are fallen. Pincrete (talk) 08:59, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Unesco designation

User:UrbanVillager, adding the text "though they are listed as Serbia's cultural heritage under UNESCO protection" as a 'reply' to the Kosove PM's remarks is WP:OR. As I say in my edit reason, "Improper use of a primary source ... being listed as Serbian heritage does not establish ownership and is not a response to the film". It is an attempt to argue the argue the rights and wrongs of "ownership", rather then neutrally report the film's claims and any responses to the film. your edit and my revert here.

Your later revert here, " Material is properly sourced, facts are facts".

I don't doubt the Unesco designation, though it has little bearing on 'ownership' in the legal sense (as opposed to cultural ownership), but it is not a response to the film. If Unesco had issued some direct response to the film, that would be valid content, but this is clearly not the case here.

If we adopted your logic, just about every claim made by BM in The Weight of Chains, for example, would include a refutation from historians who reject BM's theses. We aren't here to endorse or condemn his films, simply to report the content and responses neutrally. Pincrete (talk) 11:09, 25 March 2018 (UTC)