Talk:Kiril Peychinovich

Macedonian ethnicity

Please, show some references before reverting.

• Йоаким Кърчовски и Кирил Пейчинович. Техните заслуги за развитието на печатната книга и за утвърждаването на простонародния език в литературата. “Люлка на старата и новата българска писменост. Aкадемик Емил Георгиев (Държавно издателство Народна просвета, София 1980)
• Афанасий Селищев. „Полог и его болгарское население. Исторические, этнографические и диалектологические очерки северо-западной Македонии“, София, 1929.
• Йорданъ Ивановъ. „Българитe въ Македония. Издирвания за тeхното потекло, езикъ и народностъ“, София, 1917.

Jingby (talk) 16:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Last reverts

I am kindly asking the user that is reverting referenced text not to do it, since you have included Bulgarian authors as references so why I cannot use Macedonian, or more relevant than yours? Please, stop the game, I am not planning to play games with the revertings. Thanks--MacedonianBoy (talk) 23:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, I would like to say that please do not express your personal opinion about authors here, since it is not required. There are two references, one Macedonian and one American author, so it is clear now.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 23:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Is the Friedman book available in English, by the way? I'd like to see that. What about your personal opinion on Bozhidar Dimitrov? Is it equally unwelcome here? Since you obviously own the place, that is. Plus, have you got an actual idea what a Monarch is? Is this another one of those Macedonian kings that didn't know they were Macedonian or that they were kings/tzars/whatever?--Laveol ^T 23:52, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Do not delete categories and referenced materials.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

PLUS: Can you please explain why my references are not relevant and yours are? Just explain this. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 15:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

No I do not know what is TSAR and that's why I put it BY MISTAKE :)) --MacedonianBoy (talk) 15:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Don't you have a revert limitation or something? Todor→Bozhinov 15:19, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, can you please cite Friedman's book? I'm interested in quotes where he calls Peychinovich an ethnic Macedonian specifically. Keep references in Macedonian if they are in that language, translating them to English makes them look as if they are foreign. Otherwise current version is much more bearable. Todor→Bozhinov 15:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

MacedonianBoy, I have not deleted anything, besides the strange cat. Do not make false accusations, please. --Laveol ^T 16:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes I said that the category has been put by mistake, but the category Macedonian writers, I think, disappeared. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 16:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Can you please tell me what is dubious there?--MacedonianBoy (talk) 16:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the "dubious tag" since even Kiril Pejčinoviḱ says that the books are written on Tetovo and Skopje dialects. This the most reliable sentence.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 16:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Ummm, but he says in the text that the language is "Simple Bulgarian". Do we count his words for anything? --Laveol ^T 16:19, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Well yes we count that and only because of that word you count Kiril Pejcinovic as Bulgarian and it is written in the article. As far as I know, Kiril Pejcinovic never said anything about his ethnicity, the Bulgarians count him as Bulgarian because he wrote that word and Macedonians count him as Macedonian because he is born in Tetovo and wrote on Tetovo dialect. It is simple.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 16:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Look Laveol, you have misunderstood something. He calls the language as BG but he says nothing about the dialects. Prosti refers to the name of the language, not to the dialects. That's why I will remove it. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 16:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. He doesn't mean that the Bulgarian language is prost (however you view that word), but that his native dialect, the Bulgarian variety of Lower Moesia, is common and not a standardized literary form (as Church Slavonic or Old Bulgarian are). Todor→Bozhinov 17:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

About the connector, since that sentence refers to the Macedonian point of view, although is the appropriate one. In that sentence we are not interested directly to Kiril's opinion, but to the modern interpretations. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 17:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

And since that is the case, you use his own words to justify that ;)--Laveol ^T 18:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to say that we should make the sentence to explain the Macedonian point of view, but I guess you did not get the message.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 18:06, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but since they are based on something he said, what's the point simply to lie about that? --Laveol ^T 18:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Lie?!--MacedonianBoy (talk) 18:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok - not tell the whole truth, since you prefer that. I'm not sure what exactly the diff is ;) --Laveol ^T 18:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Between lie and interpret there is difference.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 18:37, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Interpreting one's words as though as he did not know what he was saying/writing? It's not the most valiant thing to do...--Laveol ^T 20:43, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Name proposal

Since you want to transcribe the names in English, wouldn't be better to move the article into Cyril Peychinovich?--MacedonianBoy (talk) 15:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Correctness in editing

Dear co-editors of the topic "Kiril Peychinovich",

I have added few new entries and corrections to the text. They were completely correct (also politicaly), I quoted the relevant literature, and I don't see why they were deleted from You. I research the person and the work of Fr. Kiril Pejcinovic for the last 5 years, so I consider myself at least a bit relevant for the topic.

By the way, if You are quoting someones opinion in a encyclopedic text, You must say that it's somebody's opinion, and to present it as a obvious fact. That is the only kind of correction I have made to the already existing texts.

So please, answer me, or stop erasing my entries.

With kindly regards,

Milan Dordevic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dordevic milan (talk • contribs) 16:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

We are still waiting for a reliable sources, supporting your claims (your original research), but if you do not provide such, they will be removed. As I stated before, there's no place for original research in Wikipedia. Regards! --StanProg (talk) 15:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2022

Macedonian Tzar (talk) 15:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
name         = Kiril Peychinovich
Кирил Пейчинович
Kiril Pejčinoviḱ
Кирил Пејчиновиќ

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. StephenMacky1 (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)