Talk:Kim Kirkpatrick

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Thanks to Hoary for the edits. A much better way to do the citations which I will try and use from now on. Reverted one edit which read better the way Hoary changed it but the quote was in reference to a body of work not one pic. I looked at some other edits Hoary has done on numerous other articles and it shows a very nice style. thanks! --Tom 01:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm blushing so hard my ears are glowing pink! -- Hoary 10:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The Online Photographer

I restored the sentence from the Online Photographer regarding Kirkpatrick's work. It meets the WP standard for self-published work as it is published by Mike Johnston. Johnston is a very influential editor on the American photographic scene for the past decade. He was Editor-in-Chief of PHOTO Techniques magazine from 1994-2000 and from 1988 to 1994 he was East Coast Editor of Camera & Darkroom magazine. I think that his comment on Kirkpatrick's work is relevant.--Tom 10:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you're pumping up Johnston a little here, but basically I agree with you. Whether or not this calls itself a blog, it's a lot more significant than the huge majority of blogs. I knew of Johnston a long time before I heard that he had a blog. And any top ten list that puts Nachtwey at 2 and Erwitt at 1 is unlikely to be silly. (While I have heard of several of the other photographers, I'm embarrassed to admit that I haven't heard of no.3.) -- Hoary 10:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I think at a minimum the citation needs to have Johnston's name attached to it. The point is that this is one person's opinion -- it has not gone through the editorial board of a publication and we don't know what COIs might exist between the two. Even Johnston cautions that the list is "highly subjective, unapologetically U.S.-centric." In addition, because the article again cites Johnston in another quote, the reader should be aware that both of these citations are from a single source. The article's current construction disguises this fact. TheMindsEye 14:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that too. -- Hoary 14:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Much thanks to both of you for all the help! Another question - I purchased an old photomag from the mid 90's because it has an article/interview with Kirkpatrick written by Walt Zalenski. I've tried to find this article on line in a digital format with no success. Found a couple of references to the article without the content. Can I cite a reference in WP that is not verifiable on-line? For instance can I cite, name of magazine, volume number, edition, date, author etc. Don't really know if there is any good information in the article yet as I ordered it off of Ebay and haven't received it yet. I suppose someone could perform due diligence and go to the library and check a back issue. Maybe a dumb question but just wondering. Thanks. --Tom 21:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, dead tree sources are acceptable -- here's a link to the templates that would contain the info WP:CITET and here's a link to the wiki policies on verifiability WP:V. I think additional sources would help the article. TheMindsEye 22:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
• Thanks for the link! This afternoon, I found an interview from the "Gazette" of Wheaton Maryland, 2001 which is surprisingly on-line.

--66.44.125.142 22:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• Regarding the removal of "Dupont Circle Gallery", I am pretty sure that it is separate from the Troyer although not 100% sure. The tag line at the end of the Washington Post article by VanRiper read, "Also shown: work by Karen Jordan and Kim Kirkpatrick. Troyer Gallery, 1710 Connecticut Ave. NW, Washington, D.C.; 202-328-7189; Tu-Sa, 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. First Friday Dupont Circle Gallery Opening, June 1, 6 to 8 p.m. There are 25 galleries in the Dupont Circle neighborhood and I believe many start with a brief public opening at the Dupont Circle Gallery or Printmakers gallery then move as this one did to the Troyer. --Tom 23:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I saw that at the end of the WP review. I cannot find a gallery by that name. I suspect the reference is to a general opening for all Dupont Circle galleries on 'First Friday'. TheMindsEye 00:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I checked with my wife, who is a certified WGA (World's Greatest Authority). She said that TheMindsEye is 100% correct. First Friday is generally when any/all of the Dupont Circle Galleries have their public opening. She also said that you were correct, there are many galleries there but not one called the Dupont Circle gallery.

--66.44.125.142 02:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Good luck getting stuff off eBay. I tend to think that unless one is ordering something from the former Soviet Union, any bid is a competition against rich idiots. For books, and perhaps magazines too, I recommend creating a watchlist at abebooks.com and being patient. I purchased an old photomag from the mid 90's: You call that old? I recently got a set of Asahi Camera, July 1936 to June 1938 -- and the four substantial bound volumes added up to a price that, hmm, plenty of "eBayers" (that odd species) might pay for such and such a single Alpa lenscap or similar. But back to the question: yes of course you may cite dead-trees sources. (I do so a lot myself.) -- Hoary 23:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)