Talk:Karkar (ancient city)

A couple obscure points/questions

• I see in [1] that a year name of Shugi says "Year Karhar was destroyed" followed by "Year after the year Karhar was destroyed". Actually, he destroyed it 4 (or 5) times.
• There are inscriptions of Zardamu and Tiš-atal listed as kings of "Karakar" in "Frayne, Douglas. Ur III Period (2112-2004 BC), Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1997". Is Karakar the same city as Karkar? If not maybe the Shulgi year name referred to Karakar.
• In [2] there are several OB year names for "Karkar".

Anyway, this is mostly me wondering if there is another unknown city, Karakar or KarHar, they I can keep on my mental list of missing cities.:-) Ploversegg (talk) 19:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Shulgi's year names refer to a place in the Zagros or at least somewhere east of Hamrin more generally which is also attested under the name Ḫarḫar and a few other variants. The other two guys seem to come from the same place. So yeah, we have two lost cities with similar names, but not really close to each other. There's some discussion of this other Kar(a)kar/Karahar in Wilhelm's old The Hurrians too, but not much. It's still attested as a toponym in Neo-Assyrian times according to the RlA but the entry is old and pretty clearly not up to date.

The OB year names are almost definitely the Karkar the article covers though. HaniwaEnthusiast (talk) 19:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

I encountered this city again in passing and decided to create a section stub Karaḫar in the Simmurum article (as they are neighbors) in case someday enough information appears for someone to create a site article . Its definitely a "starter" thing so if you see some egregious error I made feel free. :-) Ploversegg (talk) 16:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, just for completeness, while I was looking into things Karahar I saw a reference to Karkara which is probably not the same place but just in case ... "[3]Niederreiter, Zoltán, and Cornelia Wunsch. "A Tablet from the Zababa-šarru-uṣur Text Group in the Royal Museums of Art and History, Brussels." MESOPOTAMIAN STuDIES 451: 278". Ploversegg (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I may be missing it but I there is another for OB ie Sin-Muballit year 10 "Year in which Sin-muballity built the city wall of Karkar". PS There are two more gods in the year names [4] I have never heard of - "Szidada" and "Lugal-gudua". Too many gods. :-) Ploversegg (talk) 17:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Lugal-gudua is just Nergal, it means "king of Kutha". Pops up in Rim-Sin's inscriptions as well. I might update the Nergal article with this info at some point since it's major enough to have its own entries in reference works.

"Szidada" took me some time, seems the site uses the Polish romanization over English for theonyms so it should be Šidada; took me some time to find her, seems obscure, but shows up in personal names roughly contemporary with the attestation you found and in some Neo-Assyrian text. Doesn't warrant a page, I feel. HaniwaEnthusiast (talk) 18:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Any day you learn something new is a good day. Ploversegg (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)