Talk:Kalki 2898 AD/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Prabhas on top

Prabhas should be credited 1st in the starring and cast section Aksh vats (talk) 11:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

https://www.tollywood.net/prabhas-and-nag-ashwin-film-going-to-be-costliest-movie-ever-made-in-india/# Here it is stated that prabhas will be the main lead im the film, so he must be credited on the top . Aksh vats (talk) 11:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@Aksh vats: Being the "main lead" is not the criteria here. Christopher Reeve is the lead of Superman (1978) but he's credited third. If you take Indian examples, Mohanlal is credited before Jr NTR in Janatha Garage (2016). Same way, Bachchan is credited before Ranbir Kapoor in Brahmāstra (2022). -- Ab207 (talk) 12:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Ab207 Please refer to this poster https://twitter.com/VyjayanthiFilms/status/1232571451972014080?t=3JsHayILP5mYGFihAJr71g&s=19

I think u dont have any reason not to credit prabhas 1st Aksh vats (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@Aksh vats: That's an old poster from Feb 2020 when Prabhas was the only cast member. The latest one from Apr 2022 obviously takes the precedence. In future, if you can find any evidence that Prabhas is credited before Bachchan, then it can be changed. Until then, the current order should remain. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh yes ! That's fine ,waiting for the title announsment and first look poster ,thank you. Aksh vats (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

You are wrong to use an cast announcement photo. That is just letting the public know Amitabh is joining the cast. It's not an official poster, and shouldnt be used like that. 71.244.142.238 (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

If an supporting character gets a announcement poster does that mean they are the lead? Like come on man 71.244.142.238 (talk) 09:49, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Please see the order in this poster. Not Bachchan's casting announcement yet he is mentioned first.

Your perception of lead or supporting roles hardly matters here. There are numerous instances where so called supporting actors got the top credit (examples given above). -- Ab207 (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Amitabh Bachan’a accident

Amitabh bachan was injured during shooting. Shouldn’t that be included? RoundStrider (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2023

Amory ryan (talk) 10:11, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

have a look on budget of movie mentioned it doesnt make sense and edit it properly

Corrected. NaanReady (talk) 10:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 10:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023

Change "Languages Telugu Hindi" to " Languages Telugu Hindi Tamil Malayalam Kannada English Chinese " Navaneeth gajula (talk) 23:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Xan747 (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Language

@Kailash29792:@Ab207: What does the director mean by some scenes shot in Hindi. This is a Telugu film. It sounds as if many scenes will be shot in only Telugu. DareshMohan (talk) 02:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792 and Ab207: This source clearly says that - "It was simultaneously shot in Telugu and Hindi and will have a wide release in India and around the world.". I've restored it after some newbie suer and possible IP sock of them removed it. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

It is made in telugu

Please, change the Indian film to Indian telugu film. It is our pride and our production with our director. Originated in telugu. Vishwa Krish (talk) 10:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2023

Request for adding actors in cast section as per imdb source Nameiscs (talk) 06:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. see WP:IMDB, not considered reliable as it is user generated Cannolis (talk) 07:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Title

Does the title include a hyphen/dash? The article title currently is "Kalki 2898 AD", but it is referred to as "Kalki 2898 – A.D" throughout the article with both an endash and a period/full stop after the letter "A".  — Archer1234 (t·c) 18:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Changed to Kalki 2898 AD throughout.—indopug (talk) 03:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Produced in Telugu film industry

Please stop editing out Information regarding this. The movie is produced by Telugu film industry, and is filmed in both Telugu & Hindi. Director Nag Ashwin already cleared this himself in the interview with Collider in LA. The film is primarily shot in Telugu with important scenes being reshot in Hindi. Link of the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcnaqIgOR2M Timestamp : 8:10 @Gotitbro Rishabmalu (talk) 02:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I had only made a singular edit regarding the reinsertion of non-standard content in the article, tagging that as "persistent disruption" shows a lack of understanding as to what those terms mean and a lack of WP:AGF on your part with needlessly agrressive WP:BATTLEGROUND beahviour in your edit summary and comment above. I gravely suggest you tone that down.

Now, coming to the edits which you have dubiously restored twice (against WP:BRD), first there is a reason we do not have a dialogue parameter in {{Infobox film}}, to insert that forcefully through a module is dubious, promotional and not in line with MOS:FILM and the documentation for the template [the current parameters in that infobox have been reached through extensive disussions and cannot be wishy washy done away with], you are free to look at any WP:FA articles as examples, e.g. Mulholland Drive (film), for how the infobox is supposed to function.

Second countries and production houses are the descriptives we use in describing film background not subnational industries, here Telugu cinema, for Indian films the precedent is to use language descriptives and your insertion of the industry is against precedent and non-standard. If the argument is that the film is primarily in Telugu and should be labelled as such, start a discussion or an WP:RFA here regarding that (as had been done for say 2.0 (film)), but insertions going against consensus by using vague allusions to ICTF are not done.

Thirdly, I agreed with Indopug (along with the rest of their cleanup) in the removal of clear WP:PROMO insertion of the San Diego Comic-Con screening, which with its WP:PEACOCK wording (along with the genre-bending nonsense in the body) is advertorial and non-encyclopedic in nature.

This was the reason your "re-insertion" was undone and similar reasons were given in Indopug's edit summaries, all of which have been conveniently ignored. Gotitbro (talk) 11:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

So, the account was a sock should have been expected. Gotitbro (talk) 14:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: What do you think of this and this after this? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I have copyedited the odd sentence construction. Looking at the quote, its alright. Anyhow when the film releases, it will become clearer and how much of a simultaneous re-shot it is. Gotitbro (talk) 10:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jayanthkumar123: The guideline per WP:BRD is to dicuss edits and seek consensus at the talk page when your edits have been objected to (here by different editors). Now coming to your insertion of "with few scenes reshot", it is grammatically incorrect and odd which is why it was paraphrased, also let's look at the quote "Some scenes would definitely be more impactful if we are shooting it in Hindi. So we are shooting it in two languages. But for the most part it's a Telugu film." It nowhere says that only some scenes were shot in Hindi, that is WP:SYNTH on your part. The quote is highlighting the impact of reshooting some parts but what it definitively says is this "So we are shooting it in two languages."

Despite this (giving the benefit to the last part "But for the most part it's a Telugu film."), I thought it prudent to let your insertions stand for the time-being (till the film actually releases) in wait for a clearer picture to emerge. But if you continue down this WP:EDITWARRING track, I am afraid we would have to go back to a WP:STABLE version prior to your insertions. Gotitbro (talk) 13:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, be careful of the WP:3RR (three-revert rule) which you are on the verge of violating at this article. Gotitbro (talk) 13:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

The talk can't go according you. As per my knowledge of Engish language, "some" is equal to "few". So, I have done the edit. No need to "let" my insertions stand, because the line is according to the words said by the director. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 14:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Asking for discussion is not the same as the WP:CANTHEARYOU behaviour shown by you here without any attempt to engage in the said discussion. The heart of the issue is not how you yourself parse the language but that your method of doing it is WP:SYNTH. I have no interest in this article beyond encyclopedic integrity, but you better read up on the various WP policies which you are clearly unfamiliar with. Gotitbro (talk) 11:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Cast update

Kamal Hasan plays the role of Kali who is the antagonist and Deepika Padukone plays the role of Padma. RyuShin07 (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2024

The release date needs to be updated! Yashk0618 (talk) 22:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Please indicate what the actual release date should be, then, alongside a reliable source to verify it. —Sirdog (talk) 01:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2024

Change X to Y

Under Marketing section,

X - On 19 July 2023, the film's first look was released.[52] [53][54] Kalki 2898 AD became the first Indian film to be presented at San Diego Comic-Con's prestigious "Hall-H" on 20 July 2023, where the makers unveiled the official title & glimpse of the highly anticipated film.[55][56]

Y - On 19 July 2023, the film's first look was released. It received negative response and later deleted by makers from social media handles and uploaded with some changes which also received criticism. Kalki 2898 – A.D became the first Indian film to be presented at San Diego Comic-Con's "Hall-H" on 20 July 2023, where the makers unveiled the official title and glimpse.

Reason: Current version is edited by a sockly blocked user see. So it should be removed. Change X to Y. 103.166.244.177 (talk) 09:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Charliehdb (talk) 09:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Language

It is clear from the trailer that all of the dialogues of the trailer are dubbed in Hindi. Surprisingly unlike Prabhas' earlier films there is no lipsync in Hindi. The director has a bad history with false bilinguals. The trailer is an amalgamation of many scenes throughout the film, so if they were to reshoot important scenes in Hindi, it would have been evident in the trailer. He wanted to shoot in Hindi but did not update the media that he didn't @Kailash29792: @Ab207: Thoughts? The CBFC having a certificate for Hindi is confusing, maybe wait till release?DareshMohan (talk) 19:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Gotitbro:. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The CBFC search engine does not specify whether the certified language is dubbed or not, unlike its certificates which do. Search Baahubali 2: The Conclusion on the there and you can see it only lists the language (Hindi etc.) and no further, while the title portion of actual CBFC certificates (e.g. here) goes something like this: [Film title]+[Film format (e.g. cinemascope)+[Dubbed (if that is the case)]+[Subtitles and their language (if any)]+[The original title and language (which has been dubbed over) (not always shown)].

For now, our own analsyis from trailers should not have any bearing on article content (per WP:SYNTH). As an encyclopedia, we are in no hurry and can wait for the film to release or for further information to be revealed by the makers (who have so far stuck for its simultaneous shooting).

Till then stay put with what the latest sources have to say about this. If it turns out, from sources, that a dubbed certificate was actually given or that the reshot scenes are minor, this can be revisited. Gotitbro (talk) 21:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I say wait till release. Kailash29792 (talk) 23:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @DareshMohan. Seconding @Kailash29792. We can wait till it releases for more clarity. Ab207 (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Even though the CBFC certificate says it as an original one, most of the scenes are primarily shot in Telugu. The most recent example being Aranmanai 4, the Telugu version Baak has Telugu-specific actors Vennela Kishore and Srinivasa Reddy, with the CBFC certificate saying it as the original version (not a dubbed version of Tamil-language version). But, still the film is noted as Tamil-language on the article. So, it's better to mention as Telugu-language film, providing a note that "some scenes were reshot in Hindi", similar to that of Saaho. Pinging @Ab207 @Kailash29792 Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 12:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

[1] Prabhas: And Deepika, first time you are doing a Telugu film, it's like completely different from the Bollywood or little different or very, very different?

[2] Deepika: So you can act in English [alluding to her Hollywood film], act in Telugu [referring to this film] and you can act in Hindi [alluding to all of her other films].

There is no evidence that the film was shot in Hindi so the wording should be changed to "planned to be reshot partially in Hindi" akin to Mahanati / Marakkar (planned to be shot in another language -- but never reshot) or a hatnote should be added to the infobox stating that the Hindi partial reshoot is a speculation and not confirmed. @Jayanthkumar123: @Ab207: @Kailash29792: The only hopes for the language being changed is if someone sees the Hindi version and can confirm via CBFC. DareshMohan (talk) 20:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

@DareshMohan: They were discussing about it being Deepika's first Telugu film. Doesn't negate the possibility that parts were re-shot in Hindi. It is primarily shot in Telugu alright, and it has been reflected in the lead. Why can't we wait for a few more days instead of including a possible WP:OR? Pinging Pinging @Gotitbro, Ravensfire, Shshshsh, Sid95Q. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

That would be WP:SYNTH. Wait for the film to release (and subsequent confirmation/reportage), we are in no hurry; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a news ticker and WP:WAIT we will.

If removal or modification is required we will do it, no big deal. Also, if you are pinging participant editors the expectation is that all those involved are notified. Gotitbro (talk) 21:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Just to throw this out there - the BBFC has the film language as Telugu [https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/kalki-2898-ad-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc0xmdixndc1], and they're pretty good about listing the major languages used in filming. It's called out in the infobox directions as a good source for the primary language used in the film. Not sure if that helps, honestly a bit confusing for exactly which edit(s) are being discussed. Ravensfire (talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Espenthordsen: Please participate in the discussion here and help reach a WP:CONSENSUS for the WP:LEAD language/terminology (with sources), when a discussion on a particular topic is ongoing edits in the meantime as to that are to be avoided. Gotitbro (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

References

The film has already been released. Three sources are mentioned in the lead. Ignore the first source, it doesn't talk about language. The second source says "Some scenes would definitely be more impactful if we are shooting it in Hindi. So we are shooting it in two languages. But for the most part it's a Telugu film..." In the Comic-Con, director expressed interest that reshoot would be beneficial but there is no proof that when they shot the film, they took the effort to do any single scene twice. @Gotitbro: @Jayanthkumar123: @Ab207: @Kailash29792: Pinging @Gotitbro, Ravensfire, Shshshsh, Sid95Q DareshMohan (talk) 00:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Temporary Solution: until someone finds the Hindi version's CBFC certificate, omit any mention of Hindi in the lead. In the production section, mention a planned reshoot in Hindi as per the YouTube ComicCon interview (second source above). The lead would read: "was shot primarily in Telugu". The production section must mention planned Hindi reshoot.

This can take two possible paths for the permanent solution: if the Hindi CBFC theatrical release certificate has no mention of dubbed version, keep article as is. Else, remove "was shot primarily in Telugu" and change the first sentence to "Indian Telugu-language film". AS per the BBFC comment above, Adipurush 's language only mentions Hindi there [3], so I would wait per CBFC.DareshMohan (talk) 00:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Generally, the lead and the infobox should match and highlight the major aspects of the film. Does a few scenes in one language warrant mention when the rest is filmed in another? That's problematic to me - the template calls out "Insert the language primarily used in the film. [...] Only in rare cases of clearly bilingual or multilingual films, enter separate entries". So is this a bilingual film? From the information above, I would question that as personally I don't think a few scenes makes the entire film bilingual. I'm looking for substantial use of both languages / the entire film shot in both languages. A mention in the production section of the scenes and why the different language was used would be useful and relevant, but not, to me, in the lead. May be worth a question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. Ravensfire (talk) 01:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@DareshMohan: Though I am tilting towards removing Hindi from the lead as more material has come out, you should always wait for consensus to build up and comments to come in from involved editors, especially when a topic is being actively discussed. We are not on a WP:DEADLINE.

Consensus is not gauged merely through a single observation by an editor. While I will not be reverting your edits here, you should be more careful and not tend towards editing behaviour which would appear to be be disruptive or tendentious. Gotitbro (talk) 03:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

And what was this edit, a film's release has no bearing on the verifiability of the content in an article; the only place where citations are not required is the MOS:PLOT section. Please undo your edits here. Gotitbro (talk) 03:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Espenthordsen: This edit of yours has been undone, entire sections absolutely cannot go without any references, regardless of the fact that other sections contain that information (this exception to citations is only applicable to the WP:LEAD and plot areas (see above)).

I see that you also removed some character desccriptions and production info in related edits without explanation, this has been reverted as well. Character descriptions are always useful (see MOS:FILM); if you disagree with bits, expand or reduce it but do not blank them as such. Gotitbro (talk) 21:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It is a pre telugu languge film, it is not a part of Hindi only some scenes are shot in it. Which means it is not simultaneously shot in both languages. So, please remove Hindi language its a pure telugu language scurnce fiction film remove hindi from everywhere Manvith God (talk) 12:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Agree. It is primarily shot in Telugu with few scenes reshot in Hindi. It doesn’t count as a bilingual. Nag Ashwin already stated that it is primarily a Telugu film in collider interview but someone keeps deleting that source. Swarleystinson88 (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Dubbed but some scenes are indeed reshot

The CBFC certificate does denote the film to be dubbed, but scenes involving Bollywood actors Bachchan, Padukone, Chatterjee, Patani have indeed been reshot (lending credence to the director's statements about the reshoot). This can be further verified at [removed copyvio link]. So, a description of the film as Telugu seems apt; whether we should insert the bit about the reshoot in the lead (and how to handle it in the body i.e. the Filming section) can be discussed here. @Ab207, Kailash29792, Jayanthkumar123, DareshMohan, Fylindfotberserk, Ravensfire, Swarleystinson88, Manvith God, and Careedit: pinging past participants. Gotitbro (talk) 18:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: If you could given the timestamps of the reshot portions we can verify. DareshMohan (talk) 18:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

CBFC cert: 0:05 (screenshot); Bachchan: 5:10 (CGI/animated), 2:26:30 (live action, also Padukone); Padukone: 42:10; Chatterjee: 43:50 etc. Gotitbro (talk) 19:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Patani apparently hasn't done reshoots, from what I can see (struck above). Gotitbro (talk) 19:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I can't open the link. If it is true then why not mention it in the lead again? It was there in the lead before the release. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Err, respectfully, PLEASE tell me you did not link to a copyright violation. Even on a talk page, that'a not something we should ever be doing. If so, please remove the link - mention it's leaked and stop there and if someone really wants to find out they can email you or search for it. Ravensfire (talk) 19:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Not worth changing. Just added a mention to List_of_multilingual_Indian_films#Partially_reshot_films, reshooting 1 minute out of a 3 hour 1 minute film does not seem to be significant (albeit which portion was reshot is original research). If even, the reshot portion is one minute and thirty seconds or two minutes (maximum), still not worth mentioning in lead (only in Filming section). Regarding the CGI/animated portion, Amitabh Bachchan's lip sync is perfect in Telugu for long dialogues and the CG character doesn't look like a real person. It could be very much be AI. DareshMohan (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I have no strong opinion for the lead (considering that the reshoots weren't siginficant enough for the CBFC), but I think the info can be expanded in the body. Gotitbro (talk) 01:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Well removed, had apprehensions of copyvio but still gave the link so others could verify (there were claims that the director had made false claims). Gotitbro (talk) 01:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Better to mention the reshoot part in the filming section, if any references support the same. The reshot scenes are less than one minute, so mentioning about it in the lead section is unnecessary. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 05:05, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

While sporadic they are not really less than a minute (I have listed only a handful of timestamps above). Though I would like to stress that the reason for renewing this discussion was not to show how compehensive the reshoots were but to show that the director was indeed truthful in his claims and reshoots had indeed happenned (and therefore they need some expansion as to their coverage in the article as a whole). Gotitbro (talk) 11:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Problematic edits

@Harshvardhanrai0905: Your edits show a lack of basic familiarity with the English Wikipedia style guide and format. Especially problematic are the repeated addition of WP:OVERLINKS i.e. we do not blue link terms which are common (e.g. "film format", "theatrical release" etc.) or have already been linked in the same lead or section.

Also be careful with the modules you insert in {{Infobox film}}. If these do not have precedent or are non-standard we do not add them, and any such addition should have prior consensus at the Talk etc. There is a reason the infobox template, which is already extensive with its parameters, does not contain VFX parameters; simply because the enwiki community does not deem them important enough.

Please also read MOS:FILM, and be careful as your repeated violations of it are tending towards WP:DISRUPTION. Gotitbro (talk) 17:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@Bandwagon98: You have been notified about the disruptive nature of your edits here, yet you remain unresponsive on the Talk page and persist against WP:BRD with WP:EDITWARRING to insert non-standard modules in the infobox.

Please stop and seek WP:CONSENSUS for your contentious changes here first. Gotitbro (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Bandwagon98: Wikipedia is not the place for Wikipedia:Fancruft or fan theories, edits such as these cannot go and can be seen as disruptive (especially when it has been made clear only a few edits a go why so). Please leave edit summaries and do not be blaise with your edits, always see the page history. Any edits for Sumati, Kalki, Kali etc. should be officially confirmed by the makers; please wait for the film to release or the makers to confirm certain aspects, again Wikipedia is no place for theories or WP:RUMORS. Gotitbro (talk) 07:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Music

@MNWiki845: May I ask the reason for commenting out the background score?

Also please leave edit summaries before hand. Gotitbro (talk) 21:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

It's because the track album and background score are different things, and there is a separate draft article for Kalki 2898 AD (soundtrack) so will be adding it there. MNWiki845 (talk) 21:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Soundtracks and background scores both fall within music; but since the mentioned Draft:Kalki 2898 AD (soundtrack) does exist and most of the tables are likely to be moved there, I don't see any further problem.

Though please be explicit with the rationales when the edits aren't themselves clear and link the relevant stuff, so other editors can follow. Gotitbro (talk) 23:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Genre

The opening sentence of this article reads "Kalki 2898 AD (pronounced [kə.l.kɪ]) is a 2024 Indian epic dystopian science fiction action film". That's more than a little overloaded, are all those genres and subgenres really necessary in the very first sentence?

Please note WP:FILMGENRE which "Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources." The idea of an encyclopedia article being to explain and inform readers, letting them know the primary genre to readers not burden them with unnecessary details.

Would it be enough to call it a "science fiction action film" and leave other details for later? -- 109.79.161.255 (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Perhaps @Indopug: has something to say on this as well (noticed your edits on the article).

I agree that a broader categorization of science fiction action is perhaps better, a known genre rather than say "dystopian action". With science fiction films in India also being a non-mainstream genre, it would indeed appear to be a better fit. Gotitbro (talk) 22:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Credits order

The intro credits lists Amitabh Bachchan's name first. I have updated the article to reflect the same. The intro credits omits Kamal Haasan's name while he is listed second in the end credits. He admits to playing a cameo [4]. DareshMohan (talk) 23:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

What's the protocol for the order @Hammersoft:? Assuming it is the order per reliable sourcing. Unspoken rule is infobox and lead reflect opening credits while Cast section reflects end credits. DareshMohan (talk) 23:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Is this the order in both Telugu and Hindi? And I say follow the end credits order. Most MCU films follow the poster credits order (lower billing block), which Indian films don't have. Kailash29792 (talk) 00:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It is for Telugu. @Kailash29792: Look at Ravensfire's comment above at Talk:Kalki_2898_AD#Language_2. The Hindi version is likely dubbed. Once I see the CBFC certificate of Hindi version on Google Images, I'll remove it. DareshMohan (talk) 00:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

In South Asian films, what has become clear over the years in these disputes is that there is no official order. The cast order changes from language version to language version, poster to poster. This is stuff being released by the studio themselves. There simply isn't an official order. So, we end up with these silly disputes that never end as to which actor goes above another, etc. The fan bases are heavily divided, and the disruption continues forever. I routinely revert cast changes because there is no citation to support it. I've probably done hundreds of these reversions. Even if there were citations, there are often citations to support the opposite. In the end, the original order in the article is what should sustain, if some official version had it. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

The other language versions don't matter since there is only one original language version. However, yes both intro and end credits slightly match the teaser [5]. DareshMohan (talk) 23:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey, DareshMohan. I'm pretty sure that Kamal Haasan is credited second in both intro and end credits (Telugu version in Hyderabad). So is there a reason why he is listed 4th here? -- Ab207 (talk) 03:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Starring order per opening credits

Amitabh Bachchan

Kamal Haasan

Prabhas

Deepika Padukone

Disha Patani

Brahmanandam

Rajendra Prasad

-- Ab207 (talk) 03:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Update: you are right. The leaked version is available on tamilian.to DareshMohan (talk) 06:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

This film is #Prabhas21 literally. In the film cast order is more of an acknowledgment to the seniority of Amithabh & Kamal. Prabhas is the lead of the film with the ensemble cast. Swarleystinson88 (talk) 05:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

And in different language editions, the opening credits order changes. Again, there is no "official" order. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Cast order given by @Ab207 should be used as it's from original version. Charliehdb (talk) 13:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

However, in this particular case, the Telugu version is the original version, thus official order. All other language versions are dubbed. Ab207 (talk) 15:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2024

There are some spoiler in this page under the cast section.Half of the people have still not seen the film and it is out on internet.I need to edit that out. 2601:4C3:340:890:3096:5054:6A26:CC8B (talk) 02:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 06:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Also Wikipedia is not WP:SPOILER free. Gotitbro (talk) 11:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect redirection for Kamal Haasan's character

I think there has been a mix-up between the pages related to Haasan's character, Supreme Yaskin. It was presumed that this character is based on or related to the demon Kali, but due to the similar spelling to Kali, the goddess, that page was linked instead. I haven't edited anything, I just thought to let others know. Kajukajukatli (talk) 06:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

That was my bad, wanted to link to Kali (demon) based on the source cited there. But looks like its still unconfirmed, and has already been removed. Gotitbro (talk) 11:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Misleading & subjective info

@Onedirectiongod619 Stop vandalising the page. Prabhas is the lead actor. Don’t add subjective POV without a source. Swarleystinson88 (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Onedirectiongod619 Swarleystinson88 (talk) 13:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2024; Is it too early to add a Plot summary? Just made one if needed.(2)

Hello,

I have watched the movie: kalki 2898 ad, and have written a full length plot for the movie. I think it would be beneficial to the Wikipedia community and to the fans of the movie who might want to read the plot before seeing the film. Kindly let me know if you’d be willing to give me rights to edit this page as it is currently semi protected to prevent vandalism and fake entries into the page. I have pasted the plot here for your reference.

The movie begins in 3102BC. The Kurukshetra war has just ended. An injured and battle-weary Ashwathamma walks across the battlefield that is strewn with the dead. Realizing he has been defeated by the Pandavas, he retaliates out of spite and releases an energy weapon against Abhimanyu’s unborn child which seemingly kills the baby in the womb of Abhimanyu’s wife: Uttara. Berating Ashwathamma for his cruelty, Lord Krishna arrives on the battlefield and curses him to walk the earth forever and also curses his wounds such that they never heal. He proceeds to pull out the gem from Ashwathamma’s forehead and tells him that his salvation lies in protecting the next Vishnu Avatar, set to be born in the upcoming Kali Yuga.

The movies jumps forward by 6000 years to 2898AD. It is a dystopian world and the city of Kasi is the only city left standing on Earth. Above Kasi is a mega structure in the form of an upside down pyramid, called as The Complex. The Complex is ruled by a 2000 year old malevolent God-King called Supreme Yaskin. Supporting him is Commander Manas and Counsellor Bani. Manas is in charge of The Complex’s army known as the Raiders, whereas Bani acts as a spiritual guide at The Complex and ensures that no threats rise up to Yaskin, especially in the form of the next Vishnu Avatar. The Complex is shown to be an artificial man-made paradise that has been designed to suck out all of Earth’s resources, primarily: air & water. This is to ensure that only The Complex’s residents and the supporters of Yaskin benefit in the world. The only way a person gains access to The Complex is to buy their way in, with “Units” which is a new form of currency used around the world. Another way to gain access to The Complex is to have a temporary work permit which allows you to work inside The Complex for a specific amount of time.

During a survey of the desert outside Kasi, a team from The Complex discovers an object buried deep in the sand. Counsellor Bani is informed of the discovery in the desert. It is revealed to be an incredibly heavy bow that was supposedly used during the Kurukshetra War. The bow is brought back up to The Complex and stored in Bani’s office for further study. He also takes notice that the bow severely burns anyone or anything that attempts to touch or wield it.

Down in the streets of Kasi, a fresh batch of refugees enter the city. The females in the group are quickly scanned by The Complex’s minions to check for signs of fertility. Fertile females are then forcefully taken up to The Complex. One such girl is Raaya, who pretends to be a boy to try and escape the scans but she is eventually found. She begins her escape and is aided by Rumi and his gang of rebels from the city of Shambala. Raaya and Rumi hide in the tunnels of Kasi and meet a pregnant woman named Divya who has been hiding with the Shambala rebels as she is rumoured to be carrying the next Avatar. Rumi under the guidance of Shambala’s leader: Mariam, scans Divya with the gem from Ashwathamma’s forehead to see if the baby is the next Avatar, but the gem does not glow indicating Divya is not the chosen one to give birth to the next Avatar. The Raiders find the group and proceeds to attack them, killing most of them. Rumi and Divya are captured and publicly executed by Manas for failing to reveal Shambala’s location. In the ensuing chaos, Raaya escapes with the gem and runs into a cave to hide from the Raiders.

It is here where she finds a wounded and heavily bandaged Ashwathamma in penance. Ashwathamma quickly dispatches the Raiders, who were tracking tracking Raaya. He finds his gem with Raaya and reclaims it, which heals all of his wounds. He introduces himself to Raaya and states his purpose to protect the woman who is due to give birth to the next Avatar. Ashwathamma and Raaya walk out of the cave to find the woman.

The scene shifts to a large lab inside The Complex. We are introduced to Project K: an experiment where fertile women are artificially impregnated so as to drain the life force of a developing foetus to produce life extending and de-aging serums for Yaskin. The experiment constantly fails to produce viable serums as most women who are used in Project K are unable to carry a foetus for more than a few weeks. To ensure a more effective serum is produced, Yaskin orders Manas to find a test subject who is capable of remaining pregnant for more than 120 days.

Test subject SUM-80 is one such woman. She is revealed to have been sold to The Complex by her father when she was a child. She is now shown to be secretly hiding a pregnancy for more than 150 days, and refuses to inform Project K scientists about it as she wishes to give birth and keep the baby. Despite her best efforts to hide the pregnancy, she is eventually discovered by the Raiders. Manas begins the experiment with SUM-80 and is able to extract a single drop of the serum from SUM-80’s baby. The procedure is halted by a power failure caused by SUM-80’s friend: Lilly, who is revealed to be a Shambala spy, working undercover at The Complex. During the power failure, SUM-80 is guided out of the lab by Lilly and ushered towards The Complex’s exit tunnels where she meets Lilly’s friends and Shambala Rebels: Veeran, Ajju and Kyra. Lilly is presumed to be killed by The Raiders while securing SUM-80’s escape. Veeran, Ajju, Kyra and SUM-80 who is now renamed as “Sumathi” by Kyra, escape into the desert outside Kasi and proceed towards Shambala in a truck.

Manas, realizing his failure at extracting the serum would lead to his execution at the hands of Yaskin, places a bounty of 1 million Units to capture Sumathi. Several bounty hunters and Raiders begin intercepting the Rebel truck carrying Sumathi. Initially, the fight goes well for the Rebels who are able to fend off the Raider & bounty hunter attacks, but eventually Kyra dies by sacrificing herself to protect Sumathi. Ajju is also injured in the process.

One of the bounty hunter tracking Sumathi, is the brave yet selfish warrior named Bhairava. Bhairava’s only motivation in life is to settle down in The Complex by any means necessary. In a flashback to Bhairava’s childhood, it is shown that his selfish and carefree attitude stems from the teachings of his adopted father-figure who is only referred to as “The Pilot”. The Pilot is shown to teach the young Bhairava that the only way to survive in a cruel world is to look out only for yourself. This eventually leads to Bhairava, betraying the Pilot and handing him over to the Raiders for past crimes committed against The Complex in exchange for some Units. Aiding in his bounty hunting pursuits, is his AI powered robot: Bujji, which also powers and monitors his all-terrain capable supercar.

Bhairava successfully intercepts the Rebel truck in the desert and proceeds to arrest Sumathi to take her back to The Complex, but is stopped by Ashwathamma. Ashwathamma’s gem begins to glow, notifying him that Sumathi’s unborn child is the next Avatar. He assigns himself as Sumathi’s guardian and proceeds to take down all the Raiders single handedly. He eventually comes face to face with Bhairava and after a lengthy and evenly-matched epic fight, Ashwathamma buries Bhairava under a massive statue and walks away seemingly victorious from the fight.

Veeran, Ajju, Sumathi and Ashwathamma reach Shambala. There Sumathi meets Mariam, who tells her that the people of Shambala have been awaiting her arrival for many generations as they see her and her unborn child as a symbol of hope. She informs Sumathi that she will be kept safe and well taken care of at Shambala.

Seeing that Sumathi is currently in safe hands, Raaya and Ashwathamma retire for the day. They rest near a massive barren Tree at the centre of Shambala, whose life is believed to be connected to the spirit of the next Avatar. It is also shown that the Tree had just begun to sprout leaves, due to the arrival of Sumathi in Shambala.

While near the Tree, Raaya curiously asks Ashwathamma about his walking stick, which he has been using as a weapon to defeat the Raiders. Ashwathamma informs Raaya that the walking stick that he uses to fight, is actually a part of a bow which was used by his friend against Arjuna, during the Kurukshetra War.

Back in the desert, it is revealed that Bhairava survived his fight with Ashwathamma. He is branded as an enemy of The Complex for failing to capture Sumathi and for attacking Raiders. This leads to Bhairava being permanently banned from entering The Complex. Seeing that his dream of living in The Complex was now in tatters, he makes a deal with Manas personally, telling him that he will bring back Sumathi, in exchange for his entry into The Complex. Manas agrees to the deal.

Bhairava goes back to his home and speaks to one of his unclaimed captured bounties who goes by the name of Luke. Luke is a Shambala spy who was previously harbouring Divya at the beginning of the film, but managed to escape when the Raiders had attacked them in the tunnels. Seeing & hearing about Bhairava’s heroics, in-and-around Kasi, Luke is convinced that Bhairava could aid Shambala’s rebellion against The Complex. Bhairava realizing he can use this as an advantage to capture Sumathi, agrees with Luke to aid Shambala, tricking him into revealing the city’s location.

Once inside Shambala, Bhairava immobilizes Luke and few of the gate’s guards. He uses his hologram technology to disguise himself as Ashwathamma. He uses his disguise to trick Sumathi into escaping with him from Shambala under the pretext that the city was in imminent danger. As he leads Sumathi out of Shambala, he is intercepted by the real Ashwathamma and their fight resumes. In the background, Sumathi is whisked away from the fight by Mariam. Tracking Bhairava’s location, the Raiders led by Manas arrive at Shambala and begin their assault on the city.

The fight between Ashwathamma and Bhairava continues inside Shambala with Bhairava slowly losing ground. Realizing that he cannot keep up with Ashwathamma’s strength he uses Bujji, who has now retro fitted to transform into a fighting humanoid with Bhairava at the helm. With the help of Bujji, Bhairava is able to match Ashwthamma blow for blow and reach a stalemate in their fight.

On the other side of the city, Manas is shown to have secured a special weapon from Yaskin, that fires powerful energy beams. This weapon allows him to breakthrough Shambala’s protective force fields, gaining him access to the city.

Back inside the city, Ashwathamma and Bhairava trade blows, but seeing that Bhairava was beginning to gain ground in their fight with the aid of Bujji, Ashwathamma proceeds to climb on top of Bujji and pulls out one of Bujji’s power cores. This severely handicaps the vehicle which puts it out of fight. Bhairava climbs out of the vehicle and proceeds to once again fight against Ashwathamma with his bare hands but this time he is quickly knocked out cold and thrown towards the base of barren Tree. Ashwathamma then proceeds to go searching for Sumathi and Mariam.

After gaining access into the city, Manas and the Raiders are shown to be winning against the armies of Shambala. Manas enters the fray and is the first to find Mariam and Sumathi. Mariam puts up a valiant effort against Manas, going as far as disfiguring his face with her whips, but she is eventually impaled and dies. Manas then notices Ashwathamma’s presence and fires several restraining devices that chain Ashwathamma to the ground, preventing him from moving. As he’s restrained he loses grip on his stick which lands in the hands of the unconscious Bhairava.

With Mariam dead and Ashwathamma restrained, Manas easily captures Sumathi and proceeds to take her back to his ship. Just as Manas begins his departure from Shambala, his ship and the convoy of Raider ships are attacked by a powerful projectile. Bhairava having regained consciousness by holding Ashwathamma’s stick is revealed to be the one attacking the convoy. The stick is now shown to glow with a golden-red aura in the hands of Bhairava. He uses its power to fend off the Raiders and even deflects the energy beam shot from Manas’s ship with ease. Bhairava leaps onto Manas’s ship and impales Manas with the stick and proceeds to destroy his ship.

Just before the ship crashes, he rescues Sumathi and lands back on the ground. It is here where we learn from Ashwathamma’s old memories that his friend from the Kutukshetra War was Karna and Bhairava is revealed to be Karna reborn. Holding his old weapon again in his hands seemingly triggered Bhairava’s past life’s memories, temporarily transforming Bhairava into Karna. Ashwathamma, elated to see his old friend again, breaks free from the restraints and walks towards Bhairava. He is interrupted by Bujji’s arrival who informs Bhairava about the bounty on Sumathi. This breaks Bhairava mental connection to Karna and he returns back to normal. Reminded of the bounty on Sumathi, Bhairava takes her and flies away on Bujji to an unknown location as Ashwathamma gazes into the night sky helplessly.

Back at The Complex, Counsellor Bani takes the bow that was discovered and the single drop of serum that was extracted from Sumathi’s baby to Yaskin’s chamber. He informs Yaskin of Manas’s failure. Yaskin’s body absorbs the drop and he is immediately transformed into a youthful and energized super-being now bearing multiple arms. Floating mid-air, he then proceeds to pick up the bow which has now begun to fill the chamber with streaks of lightning. Having regained his youthful form, Yaskin tells Bani that he will now personally retrieve Sumathi to extract more serum.

Thank you. Rahulsri931 (talk) 14:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rahulsri931: Make it below 700 words per recommendation - WP:FILMPLOT. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I summarized the above as close to the 700 as I could and have added it to the plot (can be further edited if need be). @Rahulsri931: Thanks for your contribution. Gotitbro (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

You’re welcome. I was going to do it over the weekend, but glad you did it.

Just a small change. The walking stick isn’t part of Arjuna’s bow like you’ve mentioned.

Arjuna’s bow: Gandiva, is with Bani in The Complex.

Ashwathamma’s walking stick that Bhairava uses is actually a part of Karna’s bow: Vijaya.

You can kindly change that. Rahulsri931 (talk) 03:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Oops, thanks for the heads up. Must have mixed that up in the summary. Fixed and added the relevant links. Gotitbro (talk) 09:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect Cast order Sequence

Prabhas is to be placed in the 1st position, with Amitabh Bachchan in the 2nd position. Darknite2001 (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Updation

Update b o to 190 crores worldwide 2409:40F3:1006:2982:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 08:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2024

Change 180 Cr inr to 191.5 Cr https://x.com/VyjayanthiFilms/status/1806617091769815493 2405:201:5400:B029:7CE9:813:1CC:4CFC (talk) 09:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

It is done, but using a third-party source, not this tweet. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

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Change 1 million units to 5 million units 103.180.43.147 (talk) 20:21, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

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Change Arjuna the fourth prince to third prince 2405:201:C04C:D068:8814:1FAD:A130:830F (talk) 03:52, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 10:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Remove dubbed in hindi

Languages section, remove Hindi and keep only Telugu no dubbing in Hindi is required in that place Manvith God (talk) 05:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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2405:201:6009:F0BE:CD1A:BBBF:5D38:B7D (talk) 08:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

change the plotline 2405:201:6009:F0BE:CD1A:BBBF:5D38:B7D (talk) 08:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done Added a note instead of an edit. TheNuggeteer (talk) 11:39, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Bhairava, who is not only revealed to be incarnation of Karna but also form of Lord Shiva

Credits order

This movie is #Prabhas21. It is very clear that Prabhas is the lead actor & its his 21st film. Credit order in Indian movies are based on seniority & acknowledgements. In Brahmastra, though Ranbir kapoor is the lead actor, it has Amitabh bachchan first in the credits due to seniority & respect but that doesn’t change the fact of who the lead of the movie is. People who are well versed in Indian films know this factor. Swarleystinson88 (talk) 08:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ab207 Swarleystinson88 (talk) 09:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Swarleystinson88. Credits everywhere in the world are based on senior and acknowledgements, not just in Indian movies. See Superman (1978) where the actor playing Superman is credited third, and we follow that order. Ab207 (talk) 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Ab207. Even around the world, only some movies follow credits based on seniority and acknowledge but not all. Most movies base that on screen time & the role they play, also studios are bigger than actors there. In this case, the movie was announced as Prabhas 21, the movie is driven by a star. It is evident from get go as to who the lead of the film is, even the media outlets tag Prabhas first. Amitabh would have been mentioned first even if he was in the movie for mere 10 minutes. This is misleading as to who the lead in the movie is especially in case of an Indian film, more in case of a Telugu film. It is like crediting Christopher Walken over Timothée Chalamet and Anthony Hopkins over Chris Hemsworth. Credits should be based on screen time in KALKI's case as we know this is highly misleading when the project itself is Prabhas's 21st film. Prabhas doesn’t have to be mentioned as lead but he has to be first in cast. Swarleystinson88 (talk) 12:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Swarleystinson88 May I know which Wikipedia policy supports the proposition you make? In fact, re-arranging the order as per your own criteria is a violation of WP:SYNTH. Ab207 (talk) 13:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Swarleystinson88: Credit order based on the intro or end credits. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Do you see me rearranging it? Every country has a very different outlook on different matters. The policy that you are stating, in this case, will mislead people. When Prabhas is the lead actor, the page is putting him in ensemble cast? It's not only wrongly portraying him as one of the actor but also undermining his screen time as a lead. There has to some exception & independent thought that should go into every scenario. That was my case. Swarleystinson88 (talk) 13:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Swarleystinson88: This article belongs to Wikipedia not the people of India, hence it will follow the guidelines laid out in the project itself. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Box office collection

Box office is 298.5 crore as per the makers including the overseas collection requesting change of BO 2409:40F3:1019:73ED:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 10:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

To charliehbd

source of production house is the most accurate and has been confirmed by other media do not put individual media's collection. 2409:40F3:1019:73ED:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 10:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Sources

Box office collection cannot be individualized by media like pinkvilla,so the source of reliability only goes to the production house who post the official Box office 2409:40F3:1019:73ED:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2024

There is a grammatical error in the plot - Kashi is misspelt as kasi Divine Wolves (talk) 01:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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For Language: it’s both in Hindi and Telugu 2409:4060:2102:AFBE:C112:B52A:8AF:A301 (talk) 04:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Please see Talk:Kalki 2898 AD/Archive 1#Language Ab207 (talk) 10:05, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Change BO numbers from 298.5cr to 398.5cr

Box office is 398.5 crore as per the makers and media including the overseas collection requesting change of BO collection numbers.

https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment/telugu-cinema/kalki-2898-ad-worldwide-box-office-collection-day-3-prabhas-starrer-eyes-500-crore-club-deepika-padukone General Phoenix (talk) 06:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@General Phoenix: Republic World is not a reliable source. GrabUp - Talk 17:05, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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Brother, every single news media channel is unreliable to some extant on certain topics. Please don't slander this aforementioned media channel. General Phoenix (talk) 04:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The collection are 415 crores now

All Day 3 three collections are ₹415 crores please change it Manvith God (talk) 08:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

That is the claim by the film's production company Vyjayanthi Movies. A secondary independent reliable source is needed. Claims by Sacnilk or news media using Sacnilk as source and claims by production company are all unreliable. RangersRus (talk) 12:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

B O COLLECTION

The updated BO COLLECTION now stands as 415 crore according to the production house 2409:40F3:A:96DC:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 09:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

That is the claim by the film's production company Vyjayanthi Movies. A secondary independent reliable source is needed. Claims by Sacnilk or news media using Sacnilk as source and claims by production company are all unreliable. RangersRus (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I would liek to share that in post production heading

Please add a comma between the prime focus and DNEG Manvith God (talk) 11:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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415cr gross official box office collection 2402:8100:2451:9530:CB96:41E7:480E:1D3 (talk) 12:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Please see Talk:Kalki_2898_AD#B_O_COLLECTION RangersRus (talk) 13:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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Please don't show misinformation. It’s bilingual movie shot simultaneously in Telgu and Hindi, and dubbed in other languages. So please dont mention it indian telgu movie but you can say Indian bilingual movie. Careedit (talk) 14:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Misinformation on Wikimedia page of kalki

Please don't show misinformation. It’s bilingual movie shot simultaneously in Telgu and Hindi, and dubbed in other languages. So please don't mention it Indian telgu movie but you can say Indian bilingual movie because some Prabhas,Amitabh, kamal hasan. Deepika has their original voice in hindi version not dubbed by others. Careedit (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@Careedit No. It is a Telugu movie. The Producers, Director, Production house, Executive Producers and the Main Hero are natuve TELUGU soeaking people! 183.83.161.155 (talk) 19:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

The mention of language depends on the reliable sources and consensus based on those instead of whether the actors, directors are Telugu or not. Many Hindi films were directed by southern Indian directors for example. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Now collections are

The latest film collections are 554.5 crore Manvith God (talk) 18:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Collections have passed 500cr

It now stands at 554.5cr General Phoenix (talk) 04:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

BO UPDATE

Collections have passed 500 crore as per international evaluating media comscore the collections are now 550 crore 2409:40F3:101F:F16B:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 04:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Ghattamaneni mahendra (talk) 05:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)kalki 2898-AD movie collection update worldwide collection are 550 crores

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Box office udate

https://x.com/NishitShawHere/status/1807610930303471935?s=19 Ghattamaneni mahendra (talk) 06:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Box office collection 550 crores Ghattamaneni mahendra (talk) 06:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Already done The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Box office

kalki 2898-AD box office collection Ghattamaneni mahendra (talk) 06:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The box of correction of the film is wrong. It’s not 370 crore. It’s 554.5 crore

The film collections are wrong as compared to the original collections. The total four days collections are 554.5 crore Manvith God (talk) 06:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Pls update to the orginal collection

I don't know where you pull out the collection 479 crore from but various sources have confirmed the sources to be around 555 crore it has already crossed 500 crore kindly request to update the box office 2409:40F3:2D:5308:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 08:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

555 is the collection claim made by the makers and is not a secondary independent source. News sites like Hindustan Times, Indian express have reported the claims made by the makers and states so as such. RangersRus (talk) 11:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Do not include pinkvilla

pinkvilla is not a reliable source, as in the past they have failed to report overseas collection using a single media as a box office collection is also not reccomended change the box office collection as reported to by several other media. 2409:40F3:2D:5308:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 08:40, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Pinkvilla is a reliable source Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Generally_used_sources RangersRus (talk) 11:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Change to box office gross to 555 crores. Source - https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/telugu/kalki-2898-ad-box-office-collection-day-4-prabhas-film-earns-rs-550-cr-worldwide-beats-baahubali-rrr-with-11-mn-north-america-record-9425433/ Kalbhag (talk) 09:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This is claim by the makers. Source has to be secondary independent. RangersRus (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Official ww box office confirmed

Official 4 Days WW - ₹ 555 Cr 2409:40F3:1C:8BFB:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 11:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Box office collection is 555cr 2409:40F2:3052:43D1:3884:72BB:D832:38D5 (talk) 16:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: 555 figure is from the makers. If you have secondary independent source, please show it. RangersRus (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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NikhtheAMazing (talk) 18:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Boxoffice gross has been updated with reliable sources. X is not a reliable source. RangersRus (talk) 21:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Kalki 2898 AD movie collection report

The collection is not 600 crores now it’s 700 crores, please change it Manvith God (talk) 15:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Reliable Source? RangersRus (talk) 16:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Kalki box office

Variety have reported the box office collection to be 84 million dollars. Converted to I dian currency, it is about 701.5 crores. Now it is not producer figure. Hence, since it is a different source than Pinkvilla, both the collections should be mentioned in the box office column. It should be 600-701.5 crore.

I don't understand why 701.5 crore is being removed again and again. The link is attached :

https://variety.com/2024/film/asia/kalki-2898-ad-part-2-director-nag-ashwin-prabhas-amitabh-bachchan-kamal-haasan-1236060614/amp/

So as of the box office till now, I would request to revert back to the 600-701.5 crores due to different sources.

Thanks BhikhariInformer (talk) 17:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

That’s true. The box office was 600-701.5 crore. I think we should write such things in note with the box office collection in the column, so that readers would also understand it clearly.
Thank you!
By Piruty Pipaty (talk) 23:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I was also thinking about why does the box office collection of the film is always denoted below 700 crore even it has crossed the line. Piruty Pipaty (talk) 23:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Pinging User:Nyxaros. --Charliehdb (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Why am I pinged? There is now a source that actually states the 700 crore. That was the only thing to do, to find a source for this claim. It looks like it's coming from the producer but whatever. If you are gonna use the USD, then add it instead of making an estimation yourself or using it for an unsupported claim. ภץאคгöร 15:07, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Nyxaros: See 'Please provide information on self-publishing' mentioned in film's article next to box office. So Firstpost's source can easily be removed. Also Pinkvilla states bo as 650 crore. So it also can be added. Charliehdb (talk) 15:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Then add it? I mentioned self-publishing above ("looks like it's coming from the producer"). ภץאคгöร 15:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Nyxaros: Firstpost and Variety sources seems to be coming from the makers. They should be removed. But Pinkvilla's is self-reported and credible. So Pinkvilla source can be added to the article. Charliehdb (talk) 15:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't oppose Pinkvilla or support the use of Variety. I never stated anything like that. You can add the context you mentioned. ภץאคгöร 16:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 July 2024

Kalki new box office collection is 900 crores update it 2402:8100:2085:1502:4848:BD92:DFD:7A0D (talk) 04:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 July 2024 (2)

Sahigna (talk) 09:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

box office 985 crore https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/kalki-2898-ad-box-office-collection-day-12-prabhas-film-becomes-10th-indian-film-to-surpass-rs-900-crore-mark-6065024

 Not done: Kindly provide reliable source supporting the claim. Most of the sources use Sacnilk.com, which is not a reliable source. Hence WP:FRUIT applies. Kindly use WP:ICTFSOURCES table to analyze and find out reliable sources we use here in Wikipedia for accurate box office figures. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 July 2024

2409:40E2:2011:3D2E:2CD3:C3FF:FE03:44D5 (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Box office collection 985cr

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Change bo. Numbers from 800cr to 900cr

the movie grossed 900cr worldwide General Phoenix (talk) 09:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Kindly provide reliable source supporting the claim. Most of the sources use Sacnilk.com, which is not a reliable source. Hence WP:FRUIT applies. Additionally, some sourced use the tweets from producers, which makes it a WP:PRIMARY source. We need independently verified data from a reliable sources where they don't mention another unreliable source or a primary source. Kindly use WP:ICTFSOURCES table to analyze and find out reliable sources we use here in Wikipedia for accurate box office figures. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

BO update

https://www.sacnilk.com/news/Box_Office_Kalki_2898_AD_Surpasses_850_Crore_Worldwide_Gross_In_13_Days 2409:40F3:1F:62B1:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 14:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Sacnilk.com is unreliable per WP:ICTFSOURCES. Please refer to the notice above on the talk page header. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 14:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Credibility of Pinkvilla for this particular film

In this Pinkvilla article (see here----[6]) which mentioned "updated 10 July 2024, 2:42 PM IST", the reported gross was ₹786 crore. On the same day, in another article (see here----[7]) which mentioned "published 10 July 2024, 6:08 PM IST", there were two gross figures were reported one ₹815 crore (after 13 days) and the other is ₹825 crore (after 14 days). The film was released on 27 June 2024. Another article (see here----[8]) which mentioned "updated 9 July 2024, 1:17 PM IST" clearly stated that the worldwide gross crossed ₹800 crore (after 12 days). Considering this, the 12th day will be 8 July 2024, the 13th day will be 9 July 2024 and the 14th day will be 10 July 2024. How can the same media agency give these many different confusing figures on a same day (referring to the second article). In the first article they have mentioned "updated" and reported ₹786 crore worldwide gross, why not publish the latest gross if mentioned "updated" on the top. Within a 3-hour gap, they have "published" an article which reported gross for 9 July 2024 and 10 July 2024 as ₹815 crore and ₹825 crore. If the 13 days gross is ₹815 crore (as reported in the 6:08PM article [9]), how can they report ₹786 crore figure in the previous article (as reported in the 2:42PM article[10]). The article which says "updated 9 July 2024, 1:17 PM IST" reported ₹800 crore (after 12 days) and the very next day on 10 July 2024, they reported ₹786 crore (2:42 PM) and again mentioned ₹815 crore (after 13 days) & ₹825 crore (after 14 days).

Pinging @DareshMohan@The Herald@Swarleystinson88@Bandwagon98@Ab207@DaxServer@Gotitbro@RangerRus@MNWiki845 Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 08:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

The box office figures are an estimation and we should treat them as such no matter who is reporting — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

From what I could see, the latest report is 815 crores for 13 days and we should take that. 825 crores is an estimated future figure and WP:CRYSTALBALL applies. I agree with was DaxServer said. This is all an estimate and if there is any discrepancy, we should simply go with est. 800 crores and be done with it. We don't have to be pin point accurate to the last penny. We are not a scientific journal. Happy editing. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Another point I'd like to add is so many editors are simply obsessed with adding the latest BO figures, without even considering if they are from a reliable source. This is not a competition and there is no deadline for Wikipedia. Nothing will happen to the world if we are two days late but put an accurate and reliable box office figure. So far, Pinkvilla.com is the only page I could find with independent verified data. Even The Hindu and other RS we usually use Sacnilk.com as their source, triggering WP:FRUIT. It's actually sad to see this happening. Nonetheless, I've been scrounging the web for any other sources, but in vain. Hopefully something will turn up sooner or later. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Box office estimations

Try to put estimated box office collection insted of collection between two figures also try to update the figures as multiple sources has claimed above box office figures of 900 crores N0riooo (talk) 10:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Please have a read of WP:ICTFMOS. Also, no reliable source have reported 900 crores without independently verifying. Please ho through the links posted on your talk page for further details. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Don’t spread false propaganda, many sources listed in Wikipedia:ICTFSOURCES already reported more than 900cr. If you don’t have time to review give access to others to update right info. Also Pinkville is a useless anti tollywood movie website. 90% of the sites listed in above reliable sources already published more than 900crs by end of Friday.Shan79 (talk) 15:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Shan79, Read up WP:FRUIT please, along with the huge red boxed edit notice on top of this page. Most of the sources use Sacnilk.com as their reference, which is not a reliable source. Hence the fruit of poisonous tree applies. Furthermore, any source using tweets and Instagram post by the makers fall under WP:PRIMARY. So it doesn't matter if they are listed on ICTFSOURCES, if they are using such sources, they are automatically unreliable for the BO figure. If you have any problem with Pinkvilla.com, kindly establish consensus at WP:RSN. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)