Talk:Kalimantan Physical Revolution

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Is there a more common English name for this revolution? Why physical revolution? It did not give me any Google results except leading back to this article. -Dan Carkner (talk) 23:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

The name used for this article is literal translation for the Indonesian name commonly used. In many Indonesian sources it is called "Revolusi Fisik 1945-1949 di Kalimantan" (1945-1949 Physical Revolution in Kalimantan) or just "Revolusi Fisik Kalimantan" (Kalimantan Physical Revolution). I do not know why, but I have not seen English name specifically. Nyanardsan (talk) 01:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. It could be that there is no common English name for it as you say. I will take a look and see what I can dig up. Then either we can explain why it has a somewhat strange name or else we can request a move if there is a known English name. --Dan Carkner (talk) 02:37, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. I could not find a clear other term used in English reference works, so I will leave it, even though it sounds a bit strange to me. The term physical revolution is indeed sometimes used but not all the time. I did find it a little bit in Dutch as Kalimantan fysieke revolutie which is also fairly rare and probably also a direct translation of the Indonesian. I added it to Wikidata just in case. --Dan Carkner (talk) 03:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

There's some reference on English sources i found used on Dayak Desa War and on here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1876543

It is mostly referred just as uprising or "nationalist uprising", and I suppose it has no single name from Dutch point of view due to it was a scattered and decentralized conflict. (Apologize, this is OR clearly but i just want to point that out) Nyanardsan (talk) 03:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's OK, I think we can safely leave it as it is for now unless several more books get published in English which use a clearly different term for this conflict. I thought of trying to explain it but giving the similar Indonesian translation in the first sentence is probably explanation enough, anything more would probably be difficult to "source" for me. --Dan Carkner (talk) 03:31, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Also, I apologize for requesting this again. Since I have zero knowledge on Dutch language, do you know specifically who's military commander/in charge of Borneo during the time? Other than the entirety of Dutch East Indies, which is currently used. Nyanardsan (talk) 03:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I actually have no idea at the moment, military history isn't so much my thing either and Dutch is only about my 4th or 5th language in terms of knowledge, but I will try to look up some articles about KNIL and Borneo on Delpher and see what I can find, in addition to maybe adding some citations to this article. Dan Carkner (talk) 04:15, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Huh. I did scroll through some articles about KNIL and Borneo especially around 1949 but I did not spot any that named the Dutch leader of the military forces in that region. So I decided to just google it directly and it brought me to this photo on Wikimedia commons. It's from 1946 and names a Colonel Giebel as the head of KNIL in the Great East and Borneo regions. Searching for his name in Delpher did bring up a good number of results but I'm not sure if they're all about this same Giebel. Perhaps you could use it as a starting point to investigate it though.Dan Carkner (talk) 05:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)