Talk:Jon Tester
Latest comment: 9 months ago by Marquardtika in topic Inclusion in lead
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Inclusion in lead
editI believe the lead should include the sourced info from later in the page, "As of June 2023, Tester had voted in line with Joe Biden's position 91% of the time during Biden's presidency." This is simply to balance info with the claim that he is a "moderate or centrist Democrat" in the lead, which is somewhat disingenous and missing context considering his voting record. Please engage with me, without simply removing this concern. 2600:1008:A103:D3DC:5DDB:6F1D:E6DF:6F53 (talk) 22:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- As a rule, it does not hurt to include more impartial, factual, sourced information in the lead (Rather than burying it lower in the page), unless it it somehow completely extraneous or unneccesary. 2600:1008:A103:D3DC:5DDB:6F1D:E6DF:6F53 (talk) 22:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- For me, this wouldn't be WP:DUE for the lead, though it certainly is for the greater article. Sources call him a moderate or centrist far more often than they bring up his percentage of agreement with Biden. To juxtapose the two in the lead would strike me as implying that they are equal narratives in the reliable sources, which, to my eye, they are not. All that said, happy to go wherever consensus leads. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 22:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I concur. No disingenuity, it's simply using verbiage that is very commonly used to describe Mr. Tester. His scorecard for how often he votes with the president is pretty much never raised. We've never had the "voting-with-presidents" percentage included in any politician's lead to the best of my knowledge; Tony Gonzales for example has a pretty strong record of voting against Biden but is still referred to in his lede as a moderate Republican, without this needing to be mentioned. It works either way. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 22:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I see no reason why this should be in the lede. Marquardtika (talk) 15:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I concur. No disingenuity, it's simply using verbiage that is very commonly used to describe Mr. Tester. His scorecard for how often he votes with the president is pretty much never raised. We've never had the "voting-with-presidents" percentage included in any politician's lead to the best of my knowledge; Tony Gonzales for example has a pretty strong record of voting against Biden but is still referred to in his lede as a moderate Republican, without this needing to be mentioned. It works either way. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 22:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- For me, this wouldn't be WP:DUE for the lead, though it certainly is for the greater article. Sources call him a moderate or centrist far more often than they bring up his percentage of agreement with Biden. To juxtapose the two in the lead would strike me as implying that they are equal narratives in the reliable sources, which, to my eye, they are not. All that said, happy to go wherever consensus leads. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 22:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)