Talk:Joba Chamberlain

Picture

Can somebody put a picture of joba on the page? I dont know how to do it. Thundrplaya 01:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you have the picture? If so, upload it with correct licencing, tell me the file name, and and I'll do the restGreenRunner0 21:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I added a picture I took of Joba from MLR section 13 at the stadium on Aug 19, 2007 Mets 01:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Joba

Is Joba a traditional Winnebago name?

"Joba" was apparently what a younger sibling (or cousin) called him when he was younger, and subsequently he legally changed his name from Justin to Joba because he liked it so much. (Michael Kay's comment from the live broadcast of the Yankees vs Indians game Aug. 10, 2007)

Too Extensive?

Is this article too detailed?

The guy has pitched less than 10 major league innings and his article is 5 times as long as some players who have have played for more years than Chamberlain has days.

Fan worship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.125.254 (talk) 02:17, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Sure, buy he's probably a future star. So I think is very good to start his wiki from now. Ale —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afgonzal (talk • contribs) 14:58, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Yes its way too detailed needs to be edited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.226.201 (talk) 23:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

So edit it. -- Y not? 23:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Are we going to include every appearance he makes as a professional? Why stop there? Why not add his pre-game meals, his intro music, and his preferred route to the stadium? There are plenty of fansites for this type of info. This is an encyclopedia, not a box score for the Yankees, or any other team. Sarcasm aside, maybe we limit it to his first appearance, then first start, then first shutout, etc. Actual career milestones.

Agree. I have removed some in the past. I'll go remove some more. -- Y not? 02:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed some extraneous "career highlights" (first homerun surrendered, recaps of damn near every game he's played, etc.). This information is easily available at sites like www.baseball-reference.com. -- Kjackelen05 (talk) 16:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Please stop giving constant updates on how his season is going! His "third career start" is not noteworthy, nor are his stats this season to date. That kind of stuff belongs on ESPN. heat_fan1 (talk) 13:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Father

I think that a whole paragraph on his father's life is way off topic. The article is about Joba, not Harlan 67.82.239.20 20:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Joba Rules

Excessive fan glorification is practically tantamount to NPOV issues. The Joba Rules section is wholly un-noteworthy, and is the kind of thing that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Countless pitchers in baseball are on pitch count limitations, or in-house rules on pitching. The excessive attention paid to him is strictly a product of media overhype. If you want an example, the 2003 Angels put Aaron Sele on a strict rule of 5IP per start, no matter the pitch count, or the situation in the game. It happens all the time. Some subsection for a guy with barely 20 career innings pitched *stinks* of fan glorification. It has no place, other than to build the myth/legend of a player to be bigger than he really is. They made a t-shirt for him? Wow. Every team does that for its players.President David Palmer (talk) 23:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it probably isnt needed, but the "Joba rules" were pretty unique/noteworthy. Yes other pitchers are put on pitch counts, etc etc, but not really to the level that Chamberlain was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.74.17 (talk) 01:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

That's the thing, his 'rules' AREN'T any different from countless others...it's just that he received so much ridiculous attention during his rookie year (and considering how little he pitched, it really was quite absurd), that everything about him was magnified, including those stupid rules...to the point that the impression was created that they were somehow unique. They're not. It's just that other teams don't media-whore themselves out when they do un-noteworthy things like putting a pitcher on a pitch count. There is nothing special about it. Nothing. Anyone watching ALL of baseball for more than a year would know this.President David Palmer (talk) 06:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes they are different/unique. I think perhaps you need to do a bit of research. It wasnt simply that he was on a pitch count, it was much more than that. For every inning he pitched he was required to take the same amount of days off. IE: if he pitched one inning, he wasnt allowed to pitched again for a day. If he pitched two innings it was mandatory that he two took days off, and so on and so on. And it was the same the other way. He could only pitch two innings if he had the preceeding two days off. In other words he would need 2 of 3 days off to pitch just one inning and 4 of 5 days off just to pitch 2 innings (the two days before the game and the two days after the game). Thats pretty extreme. I have been a ridiculously huge baseball fan for 20 years and I cant think of anytime anyone has ever done something like that with a reliever. Yeah sure people get put on pitch counts, but this is/was more than just a regular pitch count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.74.17 (talk) 20:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

If you really think that that is so far removed from a standard pitch count, then I have no choice but to question how well you really follow baseball...especially when you consider that larger measures are most frequently taken for young (and harder throwing) pitchers in baseball...it's just part of the game. And even if you want to play this tit-for-tat crap (sorry, the "Joba rules" just ain't that special), you'd be extremely hard pressed to be able to make a case that somehow there needs to be a special wikipedia subsection to discuss said rules (especially considering they were in effect for what came to be 25 innings of his career). If you really think giving a guy a set of rules (and I knew what they were before I ever posted here) that is nothing more than an over-glorified pitch count (and that's what it is, regardless of how it gets spun by east coast sports loving media), is that unique, then maybe I'm not the one that should be doing research. Is this set of rules unique to him? Maybe, maybe not. 1) It's not relevant enough for its own subsection, and 2) He's not the only player in baseball history to have coaches give him a personal fitness regimen of some sort.President David Palmer (talk) 06:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Well I already said that it probably not important enough to warrant its own section (although I also think you could make an argument that it is). I'm simply pointing out that its not the run of the mill, everyday occurance you make it out to be. it was actually quite unique/noteworthy. which is why it recieved so much attention. you can say "its nothing more than a pitch count" till you are blue in the face but its simply not true. It was something pretty unique. There were times where Chamberlain threw less than 10 pitches in an inning but was still prohibted from pitching the next day because of the "1 inning of work = 1 day off" rule. No reliever anywhere has to live by that strict of rules. He was also prohibited from coming into the game with runners on. Even people who have been covering/working in baseball for decades commented on how unusual/unique (and somewhat illogical) the "joba rules" were. It pretty obvious that they were alot more than you make them out to be. Its also pretty obvious that you are downplaying them because of somesort of anti-east coast/yankee bias. But whatever. I really dont care that much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.74.17 (talk) 00:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I love being accused of things via slander when my point is legitimate...it really hurts your case. Also, as a Mets and Giants and Celtics fan, you're fairly far off base by assuming me to be anti-east coast sports guy. I just think it's, well, frankly absurd to even try for a moment to deny that the major sports outlets of the United States do not have biased firmly ingrained towards coverage of east coast teams. Whether a product of time zones, or cultural favoritism, or the fact that the outlets are capitalistic interests serving the greatest portion of a fanbase, it's outlandish to even assume that the outlets are anything but extremely biased towards the east coast teams. The "Joba Rules" existed for 25 innings. The only reason we assume them to be unique is because, in general, it is not common practice for a typical sports team to announce its strength and conditioning regimens for each individual team with the public. Such was not the case with Joba...the only thing unique here is that someone opened their mouth about the so-called rules, and the media made the rest history. Frankly, even if it was unique (and as an extremely long-term baseball fan, I still think it most certainly is not...and it's rather absurd for you to accuse me of not being objective because of an issue as mundane as Joba's rules to begin with), it's still a "what's the big fucking deal?" issue, because as I said, it lasted for 25 innings. My only qualm is that, in going from page to page amongst sports superstars, I find a gross inconsistency in both the quality and in the amount of detail fans deem necessary for inclusion, and it almost without exception follows east-coast boundaries. I had to delete a trivia section statement about how Melky Cabrera has 10 toes, and a paragraph-long story about one time when Clay Buchholz threw 3 effective innings of relief against the Orioles one time, for God's sake. I'm preaching uniformity in what should be included in these pages...if something like the Joba Rules deserves its own subsection, then there will be essentially no limit to how much useless information should be included. And for the record, I didn't just say it was a pitch-count...I called it an 'over glorified pitch count,' which, in the end is still largely what it is.President David Palmer (talk) 08:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it's worth mentioning only because of what you exactly said...the attention given. You yourself may think there was a ridiculous amount of attention given, and many Yankee fans may even agree with you, but that is of irrelevance regarding wikipedia as wiki articles should write things of notability. It may be just a small blurb eventually if he has a long career, but the hype given around it was fact. That attention makes it worth mentioning in this article. There was also t-shirts sold with "Joba Rules" as a pun on the statement. Keep it in. 161.185.151.150 (talk) 19:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Nickname

Everyone calls him Joba "the Hutt" Chamberlain in the 914, and the 212, and the 718, and the 917--in fact, everyone in the New York metropolitan area with an area code calls him "The Hutt." So let's add that to the article, right? Smedley Hirkum (talk) 18:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Anecdotal evidence is superficial and unworthy of inclusion until it proves itself inseparable from the individual on a wide-scale public basis.President David Palmer (talk) 23:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Until my anecdotal evidence proves itself inseparable from the individual on a wide-scale public basis? What does that even mean? Ur fancy words and syntax make no sense. Considering this nonsensical argument, I think we should put his nickname back. Smedley Hirkum (talk) 18:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Not understanding a point is a terrible reason to ignore its validity and go full-speed ahead with your point.President David Palmer (talk) 06:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm in the 212 and not only have I never called him "the Hutt", I've never heard anyone else call him that. --Muboshgu (talk) 18:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Scouting Report

"His slider rates over 70 on the 20-80 scouting scale, and has caused batters to swing and miss 75% of the time."

I'm not saying it isnt true, but the "75%" of the time comment seems like a pretty made up number. Is their any statistical evidence to support it? The same can be said for the scouting report as a whole. Its not entirely innaccurate, but its also not referenced at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.74.17 (talk) 01:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I have read this section about pitcher-rating, and have no idea what it means, I think this system need a bit of explanation, or some kind of wikilink. Andy4226uk (talk) 09:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed the "pitch ratings" (see rationale in edit summary). This entire section should definitely be removed if not sourced; even if it is sourced, I'm not entirely sure it should be there. -Elmer Clark (talk) 19:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Please stop deleting the IPA pronunciation guide: [ˈdʒɑːbə]. IPA is the standard way to indicate pronunciation and there's no reason to remove it. White 720 (talk) 17:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It's pronounced like Jabba the Hutt from Star Wars. I know. Joba's my 2nd cousin. My side of the family is kinda feuding with his side so I only just found out he was doing the whole Yankees thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.234.73.55 (talk • contribs) 00:32, April 23, 2008 (UTC)

Ref #1

Is this edit correct? I can't tell because reference #1 is dead. Cheers, ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 04:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. The link was working when I first put it up, but apparently LJS moves the articles after a few days. Thanks to the guy who fixed it. Alienmercy (talk) 16:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

No big deal—if we didn't have problems like that every once in a while, why would we need these talk pages? =D Cheers, ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 16:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Weight of DUI Section

I think that this obviously deserves mention, but I was concerned about weight and through conclusion the BLP. Right now, his minor league career has the same amount of mention as the DUI. I could understand it getting its own section if he was a constant drunk, but we don't know if he is or not (thus the possible BLP). I would suggest incorporating this into a personal life section. 161.185.151.150 (talk) 19:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Rotation vs. Bullpen

The whole debate of whether or not Joba should be a starter or a setup man (though it only exists in the media and not inside the organization) is worthy of inclusion in this article, I believe. --Muboshgu (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Joba's mother

Information regarding the arrest of Joba's mother is not relevant to the subject of Joba Chamberlain, and therefore fails WP:BLP. It was discussed somewhere, I don't remember where and I don't see it on this talk page. Therefore, we should keep any mention of it off this page. Similarly, the issue of Dustin Pedroia's arrest was decided to not be relevant to Dustin's wikipedia page. This isn't a bias thing, it's policy. Thanks. --Muboshgu (talk) 17:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I feel as though it should be included because it's his mother, the Dustin Pedroia thing was with his brother, the thing with Joba Chamberlain incident shows how he was raised and it could be directly related to why he drives drunk. (67.246.47.158 (talk) 19:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC))

Joba was raised primarily by his father, not his mother. To tie her problems to Joba's drunk driving violates WP:V. --Muboshgu (talk) 21:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

College Statistics

Joba's first year of college at the University of Nebraska-Kearney was not as successful as the article indicates. In fact they are incorrect. Joba's first year of college he posted a 6.02 ERA not 1.23. http://www.rmacsports.org/sports/bsb/2004/stats/unk.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.151.109.24 (talk) 14:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Could be due to vandalism. As his college stats are provided at external sites, I'm removing the table as WP:NOTSTATS. --Muboshgu (talk) 14:22, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh I see, you meant the text. According to his Huskers bio page, he recorded a 5.23 ERA, so that's what I changed it to. --Muboshgu (talk) 14:27, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

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