Talk:Jefferson nickel

Coin related articles do not require people to be shown only on coins (just my 2¢)

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but in this article, and several related coin articles, I think the use of coins as depictions of people (e.g. Nellie Tayloe Ross in this article) is unnecessary and somewhat confusing. Why was this coin picture favoured over an actual image of her?
The image in this case doesn't really add anything to the article, and if a reader is skimming, they are likely to make the fair assumption that images of coins on the Jefferson nickel article will be of or relating to the actual nickel, rather than people involved in judging a related design competition.
To attempt an analogy, in his article it is not needed for portraits of Pablo Picasso to only be shown in a cubist artist's interpretation. Jebus989^✰ 11:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't say you are wrong, and given the choice between a contemporary image and a medal, I'd go with the image. However, the image of Ross is from 16 years before the events of Jefferson nickel, and she is wearing a dress which she no doubt wore for social reasons. The medal is at least roughly contemporaneous to Jefferson nickel (it was made 1933 or after, Sinnock, the designer, was alive until 1947 and Mrs. Ross stayed in office until 1953) and it has to do with her function as director of the Mint. Keep in mind also that Mint medals are guaranteed public domain, since they are always (at least in the last 150 years or so) designed in-house, the Act of 1890 which allows the Mint to hire outside designers for coins says nothing about medals. I'm hampered by the fact as well that 1938 is in the copyright era, so I can't use images like Schlag's original accepted design, or contemporary images of him, or even the images from him from the mid 1960s, when Coin World was campaigning for FS to be put on the nickel.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Several valid points! Thanks for the comprehensive response Jebus989^✰ 13:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Racepacket (talk) 18:58, 19 April 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A (prose):

   "reverse is again the original by Felix Schlag;" - why "again"?

   Please reword: "25-year term during which it could only be replaced by Congress," but you are addressing what happened after the 25 years were up. Sentences need to hang together.

   "Mint looked into reducing its use of it."->"Mint looked into reducing its nickel use."

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   How many were circulated?

   That's a bit of a moving target, since billions are struck every year. I'll see if I can find a total to date.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   No edit wars.

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This article represents significant work by its authors, but a few points need further work. Putting review on hold for you to address concerns. Racepacket (talk) 19:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

All done (though I went a slightly different route on one of them) except the number. What are you looking for? The total number? The number per year?--Wehwalt (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I would think that the total number would be more impressive, but I defer to your judgment. Racepacket (talk) 03:41, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps recent figures would be more helpful to the reader.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:42, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

On a different point, why did you use the <sub> tags to quote the two phrases on the coin? It strikes me as a bit distracting. Would another tag be more consistent with the MOS? Perhaps you could take another look at it? Racepacket (talk) 03:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

It's what I've used before for coin legends, do you have another suggestion?--Wehwalt (talk) 03:51, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

How about <pre> or otherwise using a different font? Racepacket (talk) 07:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Does "appearing above Monticello." mean "appearing above the image of Monticello." or "appearing above the word Monticello."? Racepacket (talk) 08:38, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

The article does not address the long-term impact of the 2003 law. I read it that Monticello must stay on the nickel until Congress acts again, even after another 25 years. Racepacket (talk) 08:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Nice catch! I've included that now. I just took the mottos out, How is it now?--Wehwalt (talk) 16:50, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I very interesting article. Thank you for your hard work. Congratulations on another good article. Racepacket (talk) 23:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the review.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Mintage?

Seems like an article for a type of coin should include mintage by year. Such information would be easy enough to acquire and cite. Just a thought. Eric Cable  |  Talk  13:08, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

That's been done for other denominations, but generally the practice with numismatic FAs is that we spin those out to separate articles and link them from the main one, unless the table is short, as for example, twenty-cent piece. No objection if anyone wants to compile them, you can take them out of the Red Book.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Timing

Wow, how's that for timing! This was the featured article on the very day that the U.S. Nickel was in the news! Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion sending 30 trucks full of 5 cent coins! Well, in the fake news anyhow... No, Samsung did not try to pay Apple its $1bn fine in nickels --MelanieN (talk) 16:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Now a FA in Chinese Wikipedia

I have translated this article to Chinese Wikipedia here and promoted to FA status, and I want to thank User:Wehwalt for his effort to write this amazing article. --Jarodalien (talk) 08:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

P Mint Mark

May the following text in the article be clarified? It is unclear whether it means that ALL or only SOME of the war-time Philadelphia coins have the P mark. Because the text ends with the phrase "if struck there" it may be interpreted to mean that some war-time years have both marked and unmarked Philadelphia mints for the same minting year. Here is the current text: Philadelphia Mint specimens before 1980 lack mint mark, except for wartime nickels, which have a P for Philadelphia if struck there. Tesseract501 (talk) 19:54, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

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Circulating Coin Act of 2021 applies to the nickel?

The article states: "The Circulating Collectible Coin Redesign Act of 2020 (Pub. L. 116–330 (text) (PDF)) was signed by President Donald Trump on January 13, 2021. It provides for, among other things, special one-year designs for the circulating coinage in 2026, including the nickel, for the United States Semiquincentennial (250th anniversary), with one of the designs to depict women."

Reading the act at the link provided it doesn't appear to include any coins other than the quarter and half dollar. To wit: ‘‘(i) Notwithstanding the 4th, 5th, and 6th sentences of subsection (d)(1), the Secretary may change the design on any of the coins authorized under this section and minted for issuance during the one-year period beginning January 1, 2026, in celebration of the United States semiquincentennial."

It specifically states the coins authorized in the section, which refers ONLY to quarters and halves. I wanted to get some other thoughts before I edited this section just in case I am missing something.N9jig (talk) 22:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

N9jig The source used for that information is this Coin World article, which states that "All circulating coins (cent, 5-cent coin, dime, half dollar and dollar) will have a redesign of reverse and obverse for the 250th anniversary (2026)." However, I don't see where they got that from the act. - ZLEA _T\^C 00:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. I will remove the article until someone can find a good source that it includes the nickel. N9jig (talk) 00:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I've added one. Note that it directly refers to Public Law 116-330. I've been keeping an eye on the redesign action, but am waiting for approval from the Secretary of the Treasury before updating the article. To do it blow-by-blow before the advisory committees would be recentism. Thanks to all for the diligence. Wehwalt (talk) 11:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, I re-read the Act and it still appears to me that it only applies to the quarter and half, there might be a different Act that includes the others. I see the CoinWorld and CoinNet articles that refer to the same Act but the Act still doesn't mention coins other than the quarter and half. Where is the part that includes the nickel? Could it be that the magazines are wrong somehow? (I won't revert the Wiki article at this time waiting for clarification.) N9jig (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

It's section 3 of public law 116-330. That adds a subsection y to 31 U.S.C. section 5112, and says the Secretary can redesign the coins authorized by "under this section" But the section being referred to is 31 U.S.C. 5112, which if you read it, lists the circulating coins (as well as some of the bullion coins). Wehwalt (talk) 13:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)