Talk:James Inglis Hamilton

Comment

The great thing about wikipedia is our ability to write articles about otherwise obscure individuals who made a contribution to history. You made a great choice and this is a nice effort. Adding the military offices was an excellent idea. For a B-class article, I would like to see a little more content. (Others may disagree.) When I started writing articles, I wrote tersely. I later learned to provide as much material as possible. To beef up the article, you might want to add a couple of sentences of text (each) about the St. Malo and Belle Ile expeditions. It's OK if you haven't the slightest idea what Hamilton was up to during those events; he was there, so give the background. Also, I believe you could reasonably give much more detail about Freeman's Farm - 2 or 3 paragraphs at a minimum. This was a very important battle and Hamilton was slap in the middle of it as a major commander. Even if Burgoyne personally directed the brigade, the four regiments still reported to Hamilton. I'm sure you can find a lot of sources for that battle. Let me know if you decide to expand it and I will re-review it. Thanks. Djmaschek (talk) 04:57, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Sources and one question

To whom it may concern,

Every tritary source I've seen on Hamilton has included these sources. Some, if not most, are already in the article. Some are not though and they might be helpful to an editor.

• British Army Lists
• Anburey's Travels through the Interior Parts of America, 1st ed. vol. 1 p. 436
• Anburey's Travels through the Interior Parts of America, 1st ed. vol. 2 p. 318, 502
• Burgoyne's Orderly Book p. 22
• Gentleman's Magazine, vol. 73 pt. 2 p. 791
• Remembrancer vol. 13 p. 64
• Burgoyne's State of the Expedition appendix 49
• General Orders by Sir Guy Carleton and General Haldimand, 1776-1783 p. 7, 38, 55

ALSO, sources state Hamilton was in an "expedition to the West Indies" around the 1790s while commanding the 15th Regiment. Does anyone know what that is or if there is a Wikipedia article on it or something? Thanks.
—Michael Jester (talk) 05:05, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Arising during October 2011 copy edit

Younger

As he was neither born heir nor died as heir, I think we should drop "younger" here. Have I overlooked anything? --Stfg (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

After rereading the article on the title, you're right. I was misreading it.
—Michael Jester (talk) 04:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Hadden et al

The ISBN provided doesn't work. --Stfg (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the ISBN.
—Michael Jester (talk) 01:48, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Padded section

The section covering the Seven Years' War summarises the battles nicely but doesn't say much about Hamilton except that he took part. The second paragraph has this problem especially. Best would be if some sources can give more information. Otherwise, I think the section needs shortening. --Stfg (talk) 21:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

How would I go about doing this? If there are no sources on what he did there specifically, do I just say he was there a leave it as that?
—Michael Jester (talk) 14:02, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

That would be my view, yes. It might be worth asking the opinion of someone more expert in writing on history, e.g. one of the MilHist people. --Stfg (talk) 15:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Arising from the Peer Review

• It's Lanarkshire, not Lancashire :-) But I don't think ref 19 is really saying he was regarded as one of the most influential freeholders there during the American War of Independence. He hadn't yet come into the freehold then, and Americans would probably not have taken much interest in his influence in Lanarkshire. So I've moved that statement to the "Later life" section.
• As I understand it, Inglis became part of a (double barreled) family name in 1719. So I don't think its inclusion in the title is only for disambiguation. Rather, I wonder if other articles on members of this family, like James Hamilton (British Army officer, born 1777), wouldn't be better off with the Inglis included in the title(?) I'm going to pop something on User talk:HJ Mitchell to ask his view about this. --Stfg (talk) 09:06, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:James Inglis Hamilton/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jim Sweeney (talk · contribs) 12:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• His adopted son took over Murdostoun before dying a hero's death at the Battle of Waterloo. Hero's death is a bit POV, suggest change to killed during the Battle of Waterloo
  • Changed. Michael Jester (talk) 14:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
• Kirk can be linked for those unfamiliar with the Scottish use of the word
  • Linked. Michael Jester (talk) 14:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
• In the lead it claims He was the only Colonel of the 113th Regiment of Foot (Royal Highlanders) but this is not in the main article text so its also not referenced
  • Referenced. Michael Jester (talk) 18:21, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
• Its a bit confusing On 17 October 1761, Hamilton became colonel of the 113th Regiment of Foot then later He became a lieutenant-colonel on 25 May 1772 - why did he drop down in rank and a Lieutenant-Colonel of what?

  According to this (currently ref 17), he was a major at the time he became colonel of this regiment. I suppose he was "colonel" in the sense described in the first paragraph of Colonel#History and origins. Note that, a few paragraphs down in the same section, it says that colonel became a professional military rank "by the late 19th century". --Stfg (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

  • What should I do here? I'm a bit confused. Michael Jester (talk) 22:22, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
    • A possible rephrasing might be something like On 17 October 1761, while holding the rank of major,[ref 18] Hamilton became major commandant ("colonel") of the 113th Regiment of Foot.[ref 17] And maybe link the scare-quoted "colonel" to Colonel#History and origins. --Stfg (talk) 20:02, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

• The Military offices box at the bottom is unreferenced.
  • Okay, I referenced it. Michael Jester (talk) 22:22, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
• In the references section several well known locations are linked London, New York etc
  • I believe I have done this. Michael Jester (talk) 17:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
• There is also London England if adding a country it should be United Kingdom, same with Edinburgh
  • Fixed it. Michael Jester (talk) 17:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
• All books need the country of publication if using it for one.
  • Added country. Michael Jester (talk) 17:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Review finished Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:26, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you Jim for taking time to review this article. I am kind of busy today, so I don't know how much I will be able to get done.
  —Michael Jester (talk) 14:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

• Okay, I believe I have addressed all (except for the one I commented on) your comments.
  —Michael Jester (talk) 22:22, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Well done passed GA Jim Sweeney (talk) 09:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)