Talk:Isolina Rondón

Her own article?

After reading this article I have to confess that I do not understand why anyone would think that she merits an article. Am I missing something? Hammersbach (talk) 00:40, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

She was an important high ranking member of the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party who witnessed a massacre by an American controlled and backed police on Puerto Rican who believed in the islands independence. Her name appears on a plaque because of her actions during the revolts against US colonial rule. Let me remind you, just because you never heard of a person doesn't mean that that person is not notable. A person can be notable internationally, nationally, regionally or locally. Isolina Rondón is notable to us Puerto Ricans. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

And as "an important high ranking member of the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party". just what exactly did she do to merit her "international" notability? According to the article she witnessed the Rio Piedras massacre, told the FBI the don Pedro knew nothing of the revolts of 1950 (a patently bald faced lie as "El Maestro" ordered them), and later took notes of meetings as the "secretary". Let me remind you, maybe the reason that we never heard of her is because she isn't notable. Hammersbach (talk) 01:57, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Remember my friend, she does not have to be "internationally" known to be notable. For example there are many high ranking Nazi's whom to this date are not known, yet have an article. As I stated she was an important member of the party whom, I believe was the only witness of the Rio Piedras massacre and who testified in the legal proceedings . Tony the Marine (talk) 03:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I do find it touch amusing that you would reference the Nazis, particularly since the Nationalists under Albizu Campos did have rather a fascist bent. But the question remains, what exactly did she do to achieve notability, even on the local scene? If she was, as you state, "an important party member" then it should be relatively easy to cite at least some of the important things she did, shouldn't it? If her only "achievement" was to having testified to witnessing the Rio Piedras massacre then we are going to need a bit more. And was she really the only witness to testify? Out of curiosity, what do you base that on? None of the citations in the article make that statement. Hammersbach (talk) 04:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

• Hammersbach, what's wrong with you? Why are taking this attitude with me? I think that we've had cordial conversations before, am I right? You don't find it "touch amusing" that I would reference the Nazis however, why get offended, when what I stated is true. Example, what the heck is so notable about Herta Bothe, that she has an article? I know that we will need a bit more information on her. Right, now it is a question of time. Did you know of my health problems? One of the problems in Wikipedia is that "we all should help each to make this project a reliable one" is all a myth. Most of the people here, what they do when it comes to Puerto Rican related articles is compliant, tag and so on, instead of giving a helping hand. I am going to give the Puerto Rican community here an opportunity to give a hand here. Tony the Marine (talk) 05:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

First let me say that I sorry to hear that you have some health concerns and that I wish for you the very best on that score. Second, the conversations that we have had, although few, have been cordial and I see no reason why that shouldn’t continue to be the case. Having said that, that doesn’t mean that we can’t have disagreements, like this one. I honestly do not see the justification or the notability required for Isolina Rondón to have her own article. As for the rest of what you have written, I would prefer to address that offline but your email is disabled. No matter, I’m not looking to pick a fight. Hammersbach (talk) 14:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

• That is the Hammersbach that I have always known, the one who once inspired me to continue my work when others wanted me to give up. I fully understand your reasoning, so let's do this. I will give the PR community at least a week to help make a case of notability. Sounds good? After that, I will not interfere in what ever decision is made. With you there will never be a fight, just mutual respect. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:21, 23 June 2014 (UTC)