Talk:Isle of Man

Fairies

Is the reference to "Mi'raj" someone's idea of a joke? Aside from its similarity to "mirage", the mi'raj is an Arab mythical creature. I can't find any reference to it being Manx, aside from this article. --Bibliosporias (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Name, meaning of

Re the Name section – does it actually state what the name means? Ellan Vannin = ”Island of Mann”, but what is ”Mann”? ”Man” perhaps..? Hexmaster.se (talk) 11:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Um, did you read the section? It is most likely derived from a word for 'mountain', but is at least legendarily also associated with the mythological figure Manannán mac Lir. And we say that pretty clearly.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Man vs. Mann

sometimes I see Mann in this article and other times Man, I know both are "right" according to the TOP of the article, but which should consistently be applied across the article in copy? Iljhgtn (talk) 02:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Then also I see manx, which is the demonym i understand, but that is fine. Man, Mann is all i need clarification on. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

It's "Mann" by itself, or "Isle of Man", but not "Man" by itself nor "Isle of Mann". And "Manx" is the adjectival form.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

i will comb over the article and see if there are any inconsistencies from the convention you outlined then. Iljhgtn (talk) 10:27, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

There's also Manx Gaelic Mannin, lenited as Vannin, e.g. in Ellan Vannin.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

cool thanks. also you may want to comment on my question over at Douglas, Isle of Man. I believe it is a city now, and the article should be updated then. Iljhgtn (talk) 11:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Flag discrepancy

I noticed a discrepancy between the Manx flag included within the Wikipedia article and Manx flags elsewhere, such as Britannica and in real-world images. The image on Wikipedia has a gold five-pointed star connected directly to the heel of each boot on the Triskelion. However, in other cases, the five-pointed star is replaced with a twelve pointed star connected somewhat more distantly from the heel of each boot by a support, and in some cases the star is not gold, nor is the support if it is there. I was just wondering if this was an issue with Wikipedia, or if the triskelion's definition is vague to begin with.

Examples of a few variants I found are linked below.

Wikipedia: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Flag_of_the_Isle_of_Man#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Isle_of_Mann.svg

Wikipedia, real world example: https://up.wiki.x.io/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Loch_Promenade_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1354.jpg (Notice how the stars from Wikipedia are clearly not visible)

Britannica: https://www.britannica.com/topic/flag-of-the-Isle-of-Man

Flag Institute (UK company): https://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/flags/isle-of-man-flag/

crwflags: https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/im.html

Manx Wildlife Trust (via Facebook): https://www.facebook.com/ManxWildlifeTrust/photos/a.753661324673851/6319861794720415/?type=3 Cytrusss (talk) 20:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Confusion about the island

Hey! Let me tell you with peace: This is not supposed to be an offense or “any word” that describes “going against Isle of Man’s geography”, but …

1) I understand that Isle of Man is part of the British Crown!

2) Isle of Man is not known as its own sovereign state.

3) The island name can also be written as “Isle of Mann” OR for short “Mann”.

4) If Isle of Man’s nationality is “British” and not any other demonym (such as Irish), then it does not make sense for any website on internet (including Wikipedia) to say “The Isle of Man is not part of the United Kingdom”. I mean if that island doesn’t belong to any country in the world other than United Kingdom, then Isle of Man must be part of United Kingdom itself and the same thing could include “Guernsey” and “Jersey” themself, IF their passports say “British” on the inside too, in my mind.

Finally: What would only make sense to me is if the statement about the island rather said “The Isle of Man is not part of United Kingdom’s mainland”! 🙂 I hope you can understand that. Craig Lungren (talk) 06:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

You may find more details on the status of the Isle of Man at Crown Dependencies. CMD (talk) 06:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I will say Thanks for that info 👍 but after reading a good amount of that link, that still includes the “Not Making Sense” part that I’m getting at. I could even be commenting the same information that I sent in this talk page to that link involving its own talk page, being as those so-called “more details” is still written within Wikipedia. However, once I copied and pasted my previous information into that other talk page, I could definitely add the newer details (from “Crown Dependencies”) that also does not make any sense to me either and send them all together.

Anyways, My Point Is:

1. Every land of the world is either “a continent” or “an island”!
2. Every island (including some locations of a continent) that is not known as its own country (or sovereign state), is obviously “a territory”.
3. Every territory would be claimed by one of the 193 known countries, regardless of them having an inhabited or uninhabited population.
4. Regardless of the country that has its claim over whatever territory it is, the result of that is “The territory belongs to that specific country”.
5. Whatever country it is that every territory belongs to, that just means “The territory itself is part of that specific country”.

In this case, Isle of Man is “an island” and “a territory”. Its nationality is “British”, and that means “United Kingdom claims its sovereignty over that said island, located in between the UK’s mainland and the island of Ireland. The “Isle of Man” therefore “belongs to United Kingdom” and as that island belongs to the UK, it is in other words “An island-territory that’s part of United Kingdom”. 👍 I’m not denying that.

(Ps. This only makes sense because it is not its own country or sovereign state, nor claimed by or belonging to any other known country, besides being part of the “British Crown” and “Crown Dependencies”)! 🙂 Thanks for reading all of this.

Craig Lungren (talk) 08:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Manannán's Isle is an alternate name for the Isle of Man

Manannán mac Lir is a sea deity in Irish mythology often associated with the Isle of Man, where he is said to have ruled as a protective king, enveloping the island in mist to shield it from invaders. The name reflects the island's deep-rooted cultural and mythological heritage, intertwining its historical identity with the legends of Manannán. The Isle of Man itself, located in the Irish Sea between Great Britain and Ireland, has a distinct cultural identity and history, with Manannán's legacy being a significant part of its folklore.

One of the strongest sources that support the connection between Manannán mac Lir and the Isle of Man, and his role in its mythology, would be "The Folklore of the Isle of Man" by A.W. Moore, published in 1891. This work delves into the rich folklore and traditions of the Isle of Man, including its mythological associations with Manannán mac Lir. Moore's comprehensive study provides historical and cultural contexts that illustrate the significance of Manannán in Manx folklore, making it a valuable resource for understanding the mythological heritage of the Isle of Man. See: archive.org/details/folkloreofisleof00moor

Also, the "Dictionary of Celtic Mythology" by James MacKillop (1998) ISBN = 0198804849 offers an authoritative overview of Celtic mythology, including entries on Manannán mac Lir and his connections to the Isle of Man. MacKillop's work is widely recognized for its scholarly accuracy and detailed entries, making it another strong citation for information on Manannán and the Isle of Man's mythological background. sbelknap

Also, "A Mighty Fleet and the King’s Power: the Isle of Man, AD 400 to 1265" (Edinburgh: John Donald, 2023) ISBN: 9781910900802 (talk) 01:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC) sbelknap (talk) 01:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)