Talk:Individual Number

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Also a stub, eh? Shanen (talk) 04:26, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Purposes, ID card, etc.?

Pretty sure that's not the way to do this, but can't say I care much now. Heaven forbid I be mistaken for a member of the Wiki Gang. Actually, the "orphan" tag on the article is also questionable, since I came from the Japanese page, so there's at least one link from another article. What I was actually looking for was some convenient information on the purposes of the number and perhaps a possible deadline for the free photo ID card based on it. Just got mine yesterday, and about all I know is that it's supposed to resemble the American SSN in some ways. Not exactly reassuring, eh? (Yes, and there was a time when I would have actually considered doing some of the research and writing work myself. Obviously my personal regard for Wikipedia has not improved since then, though the search engines continue linking to it and I sometimes follow those links.) Shanen (talk) 04:33, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Article title

What about changing the article title from "Individual Number" to "Individual Number (Japan)"? BrightOrion (talk) 09:04, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 26 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Colin M (talk) 19:23, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

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Individual Number → Individual Number (Japan) – The current artcile title "Individual Number" is vague and could apply to any number of countries. This article applies to a particular system in Japan. BrightOrion (talk) 21:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Japan has been notified of this discussion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:48, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

What other counties could it apply to? --Torsodog^Talk 16:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I guess I mean the title itself is vague because "Individual Number" could mean any kind of ID number. Also, Taxpayer Identification Numbers (TIN) used by the IRS in the U.S. are in a sense Individual Numbers as they are numbers used to identify an individual. Reference: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/individual-taxpayer-identification-number

Other examples, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/National_identification_number#Israel

"...and individual numbers are issued to babies upon discharge from hospital."

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/National_identification_number#Finland

"The individual number ZZZ distinguishes person..."

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/National_identification_number#Norway

"a three digit individual number..." BrightOrion (talk) 17:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Well sure, other numbers serve similar functions of this number, but they have different names so why the need to disambiguate this article title? What do you propose "Individual number" directs to? --Torsodog^Talk 18:49, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't have a proposal for the redirect. The point I'm trying to make is that the words "individual number" can be used in English to refer to a number of systems in various countries, as shown above. I know the Japanese system has capital letters for the initial letters -- Individual Number -- but I still feel like it is somewhat ambiguous and "Individual Number (Japan)" would be more appropriate. BrightOrion (talk) 19:23, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Well in that case, I oppose. A DAB is to differentiate between two articles of the same name. Adding a parenthetical to this title only to have the same title without it direct to nothing in particular seems unnecessary. --Torsodog^Talk 07:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I understand you oppose. I could suggest the following redirect.

Individual number most often refers to:

• Individual Number (Japan), a 12-digit ID number issued to all citizens and residents of Japan
• Individual number, part of a national identification number issued in Israel, Finland and Norway
• Individual number, any unique number issued to a person or object such as an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number BrightOrion (talk) 08:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NOTDICT and WP:DAB. The other uses are descriptives and not encyclopedic terms; it "could apply to any number of countries", but it doesn't. —  AjaxSmack  05:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

  We’ll have to agree to disagree AjaxSmack. My argument is that it does, as per Finland, Israel and Norway. Here's a better example of the Norwegian system. (It includes the words "individual number".) [1] BrightOrion (talk) 06:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

  I understand, but it's not a term of encyclopedic significance—just a description of several digits of Norway's national identity number. —  AjaxSmack  06:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

  Agreed. Only Japan uses the term as a proper noun, right, Individial Number. But regarding descriptive and encyclopedic terms, for example the Wikipedia entry for Run has "Run, a variety of events in track and field". Wouldn't you say that is descriptive rather than encyclopedic? Another example is:

Set, a unit of play in tennis
Set, a team's second contact with the ball in volleyball
Set, a group of repetitions in weight training

None of these have encyclopedic value. They can be general terms that the reader might get confused with. Hence, "Individual Number (Japan)" is better. BrightOrion (talk) 10:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose as no evidence any other articles use this exact term for anything. There's no reason for the added disambiguation as the likelihood of there being any confusion is pretty much nil. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:09, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

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