Talk:Incarceration of women

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Just a thought but could this article be approached from aslightly different (broader) slant to look at Women's prisons: looking at the state and history of institution and practice of women's Incarceration/imprisonment, and the current issues ie human rights, in some countries.
Whether or not this approach is taken the article has great scope for expansion & development--Cailil ^talk 12:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

NY Review

• Kaiser, David and Louisa Stannow. "Prison Rape and the Government." New York Review of Books. Marhc 24, 2011.

In that source it states overall rate of rape in prisons, but I need to tie it into women in prison... WhisperToMe (talk) 19:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

History of incarceration of women

I think I'll create an article to focus on the history of women's incarceration worldwide, since it could be a lengthy article on its own, and "Incarceration of women" could be better focussed on current issues involving women and the incarceration system. This article could just have a link over to the 'History of incarceration of women.' Or would they be better merged? OttawaAC (talk) 00:32, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

That may be a good idea WhisperToMe (talk) 07:38, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Sloppy research?

This article seems very slanted in its portrayal of gender differences in incarceration. In particular the sentence: "Typically women suffer from mood and anxiety disorders, whereas men are more likely to have issues regarding substance abuse and antisocial personalities." strikes out at me. Isn't it entirely plausible that the symptoms of substance abuse and 'antisocial personalities' are born from the same underlying root cause (i.e. mood disturbances due to the stresses faced due to incarceration) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.49.89 (talk) 07:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

• Let's take a look at the underlying sources. The source for the statement is here. Page 6 says "Mental. Both women and men suffer mental disorders at about the same rate, but they do not experience the same illnesses. Women are much more likely than men to suffer from mood and anxiety disorders, and men are more likely than women to be diagnosed with substance abuse disorders and antisocial personality disorders (Kessler, 1998)." - The underlying source is Kessler, R.C. 1998. Sex differences in DSM–III–R psychiatric disorders in the United States: Results from the national co-morbidity survey. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association 53 (4): 148–158. So it seems to have a solid source behind it. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Editing suggestions

Hello, I just had a few suggestions for your Wikipedia page on female global incarceration. I noticed that information about countries outside of the U.S. are limited to only several other large countries, and that information included about each is very limited and sparse. I would suggest doing further research into these countries' incarceration systems related to female prisoners, as well as do some further research examining other countries or nations in order to present a more "global" view of female incarceration as presented by your page.

I would also suggest looking at more scholarly sources, as you have cited several non-neutral, biased sources and articles, but have not noted that bias within your page. I understand that it is difficult to find unbiased sources for a somewhat controversial topic, but including more scholarly and academic sources might help strengthen your page and make it more reliable. Mhincks7 (talk) 19:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Editing under characteristics

Hello, I just added a small paragraph under the Characteristics section about the recent trends in the imprisonment of women. I did this because, although the trends of imprisonment are kind of touched on under the various countries sections under the history section, I wanted to add a broader, overreaching theme under characteristics that describe these trends. Atiredgemini (talk) 01:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Atiredgemini. Can you please clear up the relative time reference in this contribution? See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Relative time references. Thank you. Jagrif02 (talk) 14:01, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Contribution

As of October 16, 2017, this article is flagged with a message that states “The examples and perspective in this article deal primarily with the English-speaking world and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject. You may improve this article, discuss the issue on the talk page, or create a new article, as appropriate. (November 2013)”. Due to this, I have been doing research on how to broaden the perspective of this article by looking at different countries around the world to include reports from that will make this article seem more inclusive. Although it is an English-speaking country, I have been looking mostly at reports from New Zealand since it will still broaden the perspective of the article plus I am a native English speaker so looking at countries that speak other languages would be difficult for me. My current plan is to add a section under the subsection “History” onto the article pertaining to the incarceration rates of women in this country.

So far, the sources I intend to use include: an academic article entitled "Analysing Trends in the Imprisonment of Women in Australia and New Zealand" by Samantha Jeffries and Greg Newbold, a PDF entitled “Incarcerated Women and girls” created by an organization called the Sentencing Project, a book entitled “Crime, Law and Justice in New Zealand” by Greg Newbold, and an exploratory case study entitled “Are We Really Colour-blind? The Normalisation of Mass Female Incarceration” by Adele N. Norris. These sources discuss incarceration rates across the globe with some special interest in New Zealand, whether by just stating the simple stats and figures of the crime rates in the last couple years or by hypothesizing the reasoning behind these crime rates. These resources will support the contribution I plan to make by including multiple explanations as to why the imprisonment rate of women is rising with a special interest in New Zealand.Atiredgemini (talk) 00:26, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, as of November 11, 2017 I am officially done making my contributions. However other than New Zealand, I was not able to add more countries in the history section. I believe it is in the articles best interest to add more non-English speaking countries and hope that someone may do this in the future. Thanks! Atiredgemini (talk) 14:47, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

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The Critic (modern magazine)

• This source is currently cited at the end of a sentence that states "The case is adjourned, likely until 2021." However, this source appears to be an opinion piece; for example, the final graf includes commentary on women in prison, journalism, "a demanding and well-funded lobby", and "thoughtless ideologues". The About page for the magazine includes that it "exists to push back against a self-regarding and dangerous consensus that finds critical voices troubling, triggering, insensitive and disrespectful", so it generally appears to be an opinion source.

The Wikipedia article for The Critic notes this magazine began in November 2019 and cites the Times Literary Supplement for an observation that this source is similar to The Spectator, which at its RSP entry WP:SPECTATOR it is noted: The Spectator primarily consists of opinion pieces and these should be judged by WP:RSOPINION, WP:RSEDITORIAL, and WP:NEWSBLOG. The Spectator is a nearly 200-year-old publication, so to the extent it may be considered a news outlet as discussed in WP:RSEDITORIAL, it is much more well-established than The Critic.

To the extent The Critic can be considered a reliable source (I have not found discussion of this source at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard), it appears WP:RSOPINION applies, e.g. may be considered reliable for statements as to their author's opinion, but not for statements asserted as fact, and attribution of the author for their opinion would be needed.

Based on this review of the source and guidelines, I am removing the source and adding a citation needed tag; it also does not appear WP:DUE to add opinion content, even if attributed per the WP:RSOPINION guideline. Beccaynr (talk) 14:04, 3 April 2023 (UTC)