Talk:Huang Shaoqiang

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by TheNuggeteer talk 08:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Huang Shaoqiang produced numerous paintings condemning the Japanese invasion of China?

• Source: "黄少强(1901-1942) 谱家国哀愁 写民间疾苦" [Huang Shaoqiang (1901-1942) Wrote About the Sorrow of the Country and the Suffering of the People]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). 23 March 2009. Archived from the original on 5 January 2024. Retrieved 5 September 2024. (via Guangzhou Library)

• ALT1: ... that the Chinese painter Huang Shaoqiang would follow his subjects on the street, sketching them? Source: "黄少强(1901-1942) 谱家国哀愁 写民间疾苦" [Huang Shaoqiang (1901-1942) Wrote About the Sorrow of the Country and the Suffering of the People]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). 23 March 2009. Archived from the original on 5 January 2024. Retrieved 5 September 2024. (via Guangzhou Library)
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kyle Hergel

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 679 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Refs are AGF; QPQ appears to be the only major roadblock right now. Appears not to be plagiarism unless a direct translation of its sources, which I find unlikely (AGF). Additional inline citation should be added to the intro section. Ryan shell (talk) 20:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC).

• QPQ was already provided above. What part of the Lede requires a citation under WP:CITELEAD? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for missing the QPQ, I've corrected the review to show that this DYK should be ready. Your MOS argument for the lead is fine by me. Ryan shell (talk) 21:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Re: the GA nomination

@Crisco 1492: I don't want to do a source review for this because I do not speak Chinese - but I have some questions on the use of solely Chinese sources on this. I was able to find an English doctoral thesis that would be very helpful for this:

• Lam, Ka Ming Kevin. 2018. Figural modernism: Figure painting of the lingnan school and the modernization of chinese art, 1911-1949. Ph.D. diss., Northwestern University. I just skimmed it but it contains 130-something mentions of "Huang Shaoqiang", so it would be very useful for Huang, the Gao brothers, and the Lingnan School in general. Since general policy is to prioritize English sources, and PhD theses are generally considered reliable, I think it'd be a good idea to add this to back up any Chinese-language sources when applicable - and it might have some more information for you to use as well. :3 Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 14:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Generalissima. I've been eschewing PhD theses generally, but you are correct that they are generally considered reliable. Unfortunately Croizier didn't discuss Huang much, focusing more on Chao Shao-an. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:39, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Huang Shaoqiang/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 13:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Kimikel (talk · contribs) 04:28, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I will be reviewing this article as part of the January GAN drive. Please expect comments from me within the next few days. Kimikel (talk) 04:28, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: As expected, there's little to address for this article. Great work; please take a look at my comments. If you have any questions or concerns regarding my suggestions, please let me know. Thank you. Kimikel (talk) 18:28, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

• Hi Kimikel. I'm just ducking in shortly before work; I'll be back after my shift. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:56, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• Hi Kimikel, I believe I have addressed everything. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:08, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Crisco 1492: I appreciate the prompt and quality work. The article's ready to be promoted now; as such, I'm going to close this review. Thanks and congrats! Kimikel (talk) 05:45, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Well-written

Lead

• line-work > I believe "linework" is the more correct term
  • Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Biography

• art – including > comma
  • Not done. The early introduction to European artwork is important here, which I think justifies the use of the spaced ndash (which makes it stand out more) as opposed to a comma. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• texts – including > comma
  • Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• refused, however, to > remove however
  • Done. Also removed the comma before "and refused to" as it becomes easier to parse without the however. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Family and legacy

• also a painter, and taught > remove comma

Style and analysis

• Zhong Lin describes him as having "brought the fundamental and representative line of traditional Chinese painting to its fullest potential",[d][3] and the art scholar deems Huang as groundbreaking in his struggle "to create a new figure painting according to [his] understanding of modern art". > To me, suffers slightly from WP:ELVAR. I would just introduce him as "The art scholar Zhong Lin" and start the second half "and deems Huang".

• Zhong Lin was previously introduced in #Early life, so not done that part. Second one refers to Ka Ming Kevin Lam, and I seem to have forgotten to actually include his name here; that's fixed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• works, however, had > remove however
  • Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• links with the successive deaths of several family members and the "inescapable nightmare" and "irresistible magic" of Huang's resulting fear of death. > with what does he link all of that? seems like something is missing here.
  • You're right; reinserted the subject. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• that, through his explorations > remove comma
  • Reworked instead. The clause beginning "through his explorations" is a subordinate clause to "Huang was able to "surpass traditional Chinese figure painting not only in form, but also in spirit, speaking directly to the ontology of modern art and completing the transformation of his figure painting into modern meaning"", and thus needs to be set aside from the main sentence with a pair of commas when presented as introducing the main clause. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• that, due to the historical > remove comma
  • Reworked, same as above. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Verifiability

Spot check

1. 6: Are the Foshan Academy of Fine Arts and the Foshan City Arts Institute the same thing?
   1. I wasn't able to confirm, so I removed FN6 since everything is supported in Chinese; FN6 was just intended to have an English-language source also supporting part of the sentence. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:07, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
2. 14: Verified
3. 11: Verified the Nanhai half
4. 16: Verified
5. 9d: Verified

Broadness, stability, and neutrality

• No issues.

Illustrated

• All images are properly tagged PD.

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