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I think this is also true for the region around Marburg (including the town itself), which became Calvinist in December 1606 and remained so until Ludwig V's case against this was enforced by Tilly in the spring of 1624. I don't understand why that part of Hesse-Kassel is not labelled Calvinist, like the rest of that territory. Compare the shaded red region in the left map here. Renerpho (talk) 06:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
I have temporarily removed the map,[2] to allow for the inaccuracies to be fixed, and (if found necessary) to check whether there are additional errors beyond the ones I had mentioned in my original post six weeks ago. Renerpho (talk) 02:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
The map is currently being worked on. The errors I mentioned above have been corrected. A number of possible additional errors about the surrounding regions are currently being discussed on the creator's user talk page. With that, all the places about which I know enough to recognize mistakes (in the map, that's HD, Hessen-Kassel, SY, and Fsm. Nassau) will have been checked and corrected, so my work on this will soon be over. However, given that all of them have been labelled incorrectly, it may be worth to have an expert check the rest of the map... In any case, I am happy to add the map back as soon as the last remaining corrections have been made. Renerpho (talk) 01:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Dear restless IP, since this seems very important to you and you interpret the source UNIO REGNI AD IMPERIUM in "Federiciana" as if Sicily was part of the Empire from 1194 until the end of the Hohenstaufen dynasty, let's discuss.
The infobox map was already discussed in two sections (1, 2) of the last archived discussion page, also in this section several years ago. One consent was that Sicily was reigned by the Hohenstaufen emperors in personal union. The given source UNIO REGNI AD IMPERIUM explains how the Hohenstaufen, especially Henry VI, claimed Sicily for the Empire, established their rule in the right of Queen Constance, but then Henry failed with his Erbreichsplan that could have united the Empire and Sicily. The source speaks of a personal union, not of Sicily as part of the Empire. Another consent in previous discussions was that the map should only include parts of the Empire, not dependencies, and in no way it should include Venice. A later discussion adressed factual errors of the previously used maps like the inclusion of Sardinia which was claimed by the Hohenstaufen one time but never actually got under their control. Palastwache (talk) 11:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply