Talk:History of the steel industry (1970–present)

Merger proposal

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To not merge on the grounds of no consensus. Klbrain (talk) 15:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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I am suggesting that this article and History of the steel industry (1850-1970) should be merged. The significnat start date should perhaps be 1857, when Henry Bessemer developed the first process for the mass production of mild steel. However, I see no particular significance in having a break at 1970. There was no particular change teechnologically or otherwise at that date. Furthermore the early article is collecting material on the later period and vice versa. I suspect what has really happened is that two WP editors have separately spotted a gap in WP and sought to fill it. The orignal author of this article started with great gusto and then gave up after producing some good stuff on US. Following merger, the merged article should be moved to History of the steel industry or History of the modern steel industry, overwriting a redirect, which will require the WP:RM procedure. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Agree, conditionally. First, the wiki article and all the sources I have ever read say 1855 is the red letter date for Bessemer. Second, I think the point is possibly moot, and it doesn't have to describe perfectly in the title (because is there another article on the pre-date?). I think a mere hatnote saying that this focuses on the modern mass-production as we conceive of it today, rather than small-scale productions would might be sufficient. Further, was there really a "steel industry" before then, or was it just a side-product of ironworks? Thoughts?.Morgan Riley (talk) 05:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

No objection to issues over the precise date. The big change was between teh pre- and post-Bessemer eras. We may indeed need anotehr general article covering blister steel, crucible steel, and a few more. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I am working on expanding and reorganizing Steelmaking, which I think is the logical article for a summary-style overview of the many historical methods of steel production, with the details on their appropriate article entries. (see WP:SUMMARY) Morgan Riley (talk) 19:29, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I enlarged this article (chiefly from Citizendium and agree that the proposed merger is a good idea.Rjensen (talk) 13:38, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm inclined to disagree. I have done my masterthesis on the history of the steel industry, and made an elaborate study on the changes, developments and shifts in leadership over the past 100 years between 1900 and 2000. While it is true that the most transformative change came with the invention of the Bessemer Converter and later the basic process, I believe the break-up to 1970 exists to show the shift in leadership. Prior to this date, especially after 1950 there is the relative decline of Western countries in their leading position in the production of steel towards the east, most notably China, Russia, India, etc..

I believe that merging the two articles together would make it too long and lose focus on the differences and specific factors that played in both periods. From 1856 to 1950-70 there is only a very marginal role played by the countries that now take up the bulk of global steel production, while conversely after 1970 the role of the former leading countries went in decline. Why 1970? I think it's because it marks the emergence of the new leading global steel producers, most notably China which opened up its economy after Mao Zedong died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevInspirator (talk • contribs) 09:08, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Employment table

There was a table in that section with a note that the numbers didn't add up. It looks like someone was in the middle of editing it but I don't think it's proper for to just have inaccurate data sitting around in an article. I just put it in an HTML note, so it can be fixed later. { $\mathbb {JPG}$ } 20:16, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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