Talk:Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper

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Georgia Guy, I only tried to question the factuality behind the article. Try a google search for 'Maria Strelnikova' - For instance, look at this site: http://www.leweslinks.org/news_russia.htm (In swedish, there's an article about it in the April 11th issue of www.aftonbladet.com). /Ymir

An earlier edit removed reference to her being in good health,considering her badly impaired sight and hearing.I heard today that someone who visited her last week found her in good overall condition (considering her age).Her hearing is such that you have to shout in her ear,and her eyesight too bad for her to watch television or read.On the other hand,she can make out where the plate she's eating from is. I hope she sticks around for a while!--L.E./12.144.5.2/le@put.com

The photo shown is UNFLATTERING and disgusting. I can find far better photos than a "candid camera" view of her with ice cream on her face.

(cur) (last) 09:19, 4 Jun 2004 Marcus2 (no one knows for sure if the world's oldest has *ever* been younger than 114 while holding the title)

Marcus, the above statement is flatly incorrect. Indeed, before 1979 no Guinness "world's oldest person" titleholder had been as old as 114 years of age. I see that you are born in 1986--at a mere 18 years old, we "remake history in our own image." The world's oldest person has "always been 114 or older." Sorry, but just look in the Encyclopaedia Britannica article on human lifespan and you'll see that as of 1972 scholars considered that the age of 114 had never before been proven but that "some day" in the future it is expected. Guinness recognized Shigechiyo Izumi as 114 in 1979, but for skeptics the first person with a birth certificate to reach age 114 was Anna Eliza Williams of the UK (June 2 1873-Dec 27 1987). At the time, you were 1 year old--but many people today would consider 1987 to be recent.

As recently as 1988, Guinness World Records recognized the world's oldest person as being as young as 111 (though that was a stop-gap measure). Retroactively, we can say that from Feb 21 1989 (Jeanne Calment's 114th birthday) to May 29, 2004 there was a 15-year period of at least 1 living 114-year-old living at all times. While the end of that streak was disappointing, it was not totally unexpected. I had predicted a 1% chance of that occurring. Consider that in Dec 1999, the titleholder was a mere 114 years 52 days (114.14 years old) (Eva Morris). It was not a stretch to think that a drop of 0.13% could occur (from 114.14 to 113.99). Indeed, we thought that happened in Nov 2003 until the discovery of Ramona Trinidad Iglesias-Jordan filled the hole.

Robert Young Senior Claims Investigator Gerontology Research Group www.grg.org

115th birthday??

She made answers to questions about her 113th and 114th birthdays about how she was able to live long. Can anyone think of what she might say on her 115th birthday?? Not too long to go. Georgia guy 01:23, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It's her 115th birthday today. So has she said anything yet? — JIP | Talk 29 June 2005 10:20 (UTC)

Moved page to Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper

A google search showed the the consensus is that this is her proper name (following marriage). If anyone objects, feel free to move it back.

I also added a more flattering picture.

Zerbey 22:58, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the picture,but the use of the Dutch naming conventions in an English-language article will only confuse people (note how seldom it is used in the list-of-Dutch-people article)."Van Andel-Schipper" is correct for the Dutch Wikipedia,certainly,but not for English.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 02:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Louis, who died and made you god? Last I checked, people in America could go by 'Chris Evert-Lloyd" if they wanted to. You just have to be difficult. If you go by naming conventions, why do you list Maria do Couto Maia with the "-Lopes" added when she herself doesn't go by that? The bottom line: the name should be "Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper." Mr. Epstein's objections are hypocrital, as he doesn't follow his own rules.172.135.110.54 05:04, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Robert,you like it just fine if people treat YOUR preferences as the word of God.Chris Evert-Lloyd would be called Lloyd-Evert by Dutch reference,and and Maud Farris-Luse would be called "Luse-Farris",but their usage in our language and our usage in their language are equally inappropriate.Her article in the Dutch Wikipedia uses the Dutch format and her article in the English-language Wikipedia should use the English-language format.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 01:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Using templates to determine status

I changed it to "April, 2005" - using the templates ruined the flow (suddenly we are using two different styles). IMHO having the exact date is not that important. The date I entered was the date of the previous record holder's death. Comments welcome. Zerbey 15:35, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

212.181.84.88's edits

Anyone have any opinions on whether 212.181.84.88's edits are correct and not just rumors?? Georgia guy 01:04, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

We're only interested in established facts on Wikipedia, not rumours and hearsay. Any discussion on whether or not there is an older lady out there should be discussed on the main Supercentenarian page Zerbey 18:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

115 yet??

About a year ago, Louis Epstein claimed on Wikipedia that just about everyone over 114 dies within 7 months. However, HVA is now only 3 weeks short of her 115th birthday. Any opinions on what month it will be when she dies?? Georgia guy 20:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You need to grow up. Zerbey 00:36, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I didn't say "just about everybody",just MOST of those who reach 114 die within seven months.Mrs. Van Andel proved an exception.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 01:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Her name

Notwithstanding differences in English naming conventions, every news report I've read has referred to the late Mrs. van Andel-Schipper by her combinative name. My move to this effect was reverted, so I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the article's current title please. Xoloz 08:48, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

• Whereas there has been no response to my above query, I will revert to Andel-Schipper. Any opposition should reply here. Xoloz 20:16, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

We went through this move to Dutch style before with Zerbey a couple of months ago.I favor consistent English-language naming style in English-language reference,as the native English-speaker more easily understands what the married and maiden names are that way.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/12.144.5.2 01:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I have replied to you, LE, as follows, posted here for the record:

Yes, I did see your previous comments. My problem with your analysis is this -- I am a native speaker of American English who regularly reads high-brow and low-brow newspapers (from the NYT to my birthplace's Democrat Times and Advance) and all them, uniformily, used Mrs. van Andel-Schipper's combinative name when referring to her. I understand English users less informed might misinterpret her name to mean that she married a Mr. Schipper; I would hope they would read her article to understand. If they, like me, learned of her death in recent news coverage, they will search for her under the combinative name, which also has the virtue of being the one the deceased called herself.

Your argument was that English convention dictated Van Andel, and my own primary source experience with English conventions in this regard tends to gainsay your argument. I do not have extensive experience with British English, but I did see a BBC web news report that also used the more formal name. In essence, despite the meritorious simplicity of your argument, my experience does not yield evidence to support it. Xoloz 02:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Are Dutch death certificates available to the public? This is the only way to settle this argument. Zerbey 02:38, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Cause of death

This short section in her article gives a reference which is 1) poorly sourced and 2)out of date. Can anyone assist in this matter? Brendanology^ContriB 13:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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