Talk:Hell's Kitchen (American TV series) season 8

Curtis was not green in the board

Curtis was not green and he was also selected by chef Ramsay (along with Vinny) by Pedro — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.155.160.126 (talk) 22:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Chef Ramsay's Opinions of "Signature Dishes"

Please do not include a full transcript of Chef Ramsay's critiques on the contestant's signature dishes. There is already a synopsis of the matchups in the challange section, including a full transcript of the views borders on copyright violation, and has not been done in previous seasons. Are we willing to change the policy on this? Hasteur (talk) 03:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Season 6 was *more* descriptive than this. I think we are fine...Naraht (talk) 10:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

In point of fact, no we're not. In Season 6 the Signature Dish recap is also longer than the Winner/Finale. Are you trying to say that it's acceptable for the Signature dish recap to overshadow every other episode? I don't think so. I believe the phrase you were looking for was "That's a pervasive problem with all the seasons and needs to be corrected in all the current season articles." At least, that's what I'd say. Padillah (talk) 11:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

If you are going to put words in people's mouths, why bother asking them their opinions?Naraht (talk) 12:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

If you wish to take offense at a common turn of phrase, I can't stop you. Padillah (talk) 12:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

No, you can't. To move back to the topic at hand. The signature dishes are by far the most individual effort made and as best as I can tell, longer (in episode time) than all of the other challenges of the season, and arguably less summarizable than most of the rest of the season, including the finale.Naraht (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

But what amounts to a transcript of Ramsay's opinions versus the synopsis paragraph is the core of the problem. Also I would argue that once the contestants get to the Black Coat level the individual effort level comes back up. Hasteur (talk) 13:51, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Personnaly, I don;t mind his critiques, provided that the dishes he was talking about was identified. -- azumanga (talk) 16:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Do you realize that Naraht is talking about a twenty minute transcript? Look back in the history and you'll find an almost verbatim transcript of the "Signature Dish" exchange. I can't see that as necessary. Padillah (talk) 19:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Updated Too Early

I'm sure I speak for many of us in the western half of the United States: please do not update the show results until after the entire country has had a chance to watch it. I made the mistake in the first week looking at the page to see which contestant was from my home state of Colorado, only to also see the results already posted for the 2nd half of the show, which had yet to air. Posting the results the next morning would be fair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.236.80.165 (talk) 14:59, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

If you don't want to know the results, stay away from the article until after the show airs in your area. We have a right to edit information anytime we want; we cannot restrict our edits just because someone in another time zone has yet to see the program. Thanks for your cooperation. -- azumanga (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I've said it before, I'll say it again - if you don't want information on a show don't look-up information on the show. Padillah (talk) 19:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

We had a discussion about this last season, though my motivation was to stem the flow of iterpertation mining from show teases and commercial break bumpers.Hasteur (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Opening credits detailed descriptions

Having detailed descriptions of what each of the contestants is doing during the opening sequence is a borderline issue with Copyright violation (as the description of the show is copyrighted) and is overly wordy. I would note that South Park, Family Guy, or The Simpsons do not have the same level of detailed description as the example sentences. Hasteur (talk) 11:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I disagree -- a person describing the opening in their own words does not violate copyright. However, it is a violation if one finds a description at, say, fox.com, and cuts and pasted it into this article. -- azumanga (talk) 03:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Vinny's Status as of Episode 8 in Contestant Progress Section

User:24.29.50.31, please read the talk page messages regarding the color issues. We want to understand your reasoning for making this change repeatedly yet not providing any explanation. Hasteur (talk) 20:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

User:24.29.50.31, this is your final warning. There's a reason why the color schema is the way it is. Come discuss it with us before you make a change to the table. Bold, Revert, Discuss says that if you make a bold change and it gets reverted you have to come to the talk page to engage the users. Hasteur (talk) 03:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Tonight (10/23), I caught 24.29.50.31 blanking the section altogether. I think some sort of action should be taken at this point. -- azumanga (talk) 02:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I have opened a WP:AIV report on this user as he was warned previously (Last week when I opened the WP:AN3 report) and On the 22nd when he made the changes (and I gave him yet another final warning. Hopefully the Administrators will read this persistent (and slow moving) edit warrior as they truly are. Any of the editors who have intervened previously are encouraged to speak up. Hasteur (talk) 15:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

And just like that a 31 hour ban is handed down. Keeping a pointer to the diff the next time we go around the bend with this user. Hasteur (talk) 15:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I am not the user you are looking for, but I have a question about this topic. Trev was called out by Ramsay at the end of episode 8. So why is his color not light green? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.236.80.165 (talk) 20:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

IMO, the way that Ramsay did the elimination and called Trev up immedieteley coupled with the "To Be Continued" leaves a note of uncertainty as to what Trev's disposition really is? Did Ramsay call him up to make the night a double elimination, was it to put him back on the blue team, or was it to promote the remaining contestants to the Black team? I think leaving him as is winning is the most sensible position for the time being. Hasteur (talk) 14:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally, as there are five reds and three blues remaining, I say Trev will return to the blues when the series resumes, to even things out on each side. But don't make it official until it actually happens. -- azumanga (talk) 22:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Table: Colors and Footnotes

I think that we should stick with the "standard" for colors and footnotes used in the rest of the Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) articles. --141.149.176.88 (talk) 02:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

And you'd have a point - IF we had a standard. It's been a moving target for years on these articles. The big question is "How detailed do we want the summary table to be?" I argue that, as a summary table it should say who won, who lost, and who got dropped. The rest is detail and goes in the synopsis. Padillah (talk) 13:12, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll agree. Ideally, I'd like to see (color wise) Team Nominated, Ramsay nominated, Voluntary removal, Out. Footnote wise I'd like to see only, Blue to Red, and Red to Blue moves for footnotes. Anything more than that is really covered by the episode summary. After my broadcasting section revision for the series overall lands in the main page I'm thinking of constructing a Manual of Style guideline to get a consensus on the colors/footnotes/text debate. Any input now would greatly be appreciated. Hasteur (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

What about BoW & BoB?Naraht (talk) 11:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I haven't figured out the text for the eliminations yet (Bobby's illness in S4, Larry's medical withdrawl in Season 2, etc.) I'm willing and perfectly happy to take suggestions as it's going to be a community consensus as to what we put in the boxes. Hasteur (talk) 12:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, important things that affect the table like team switches should be on there as footnotes at least. Those seem to have been noted in the tables in all the previous seasons. BTW I really started following in Season 5, so that's what I was basing there being a standard on. The table formats seem consistent from Season 5 on (number of colors and a couple footnotes). --151.204.246.99 (talk) 10:29, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Two questions: 1) How does changing teams impact the standings? Team colors are almost arbitrary in the first place and most seasons have at least a couple of changes. So the impact, in my estimation, is notable but negligible.

2) Who decides what is important enough to mention? This is an issue simply because several editors can't come to an agreement on what is important enough for the summary table. Truthfully, if you ask me I think IN and OUT are the only thing we should bother with. All the extra colors and footnotes make reading the summary table more difficult than simply reading the synopsis. Padillah (talk) 16:20, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

FYI: I've put a RFC on the series talk page to attract attention and to get feedback. There has been no discussion so I'm holding off on implimenting, but if nobody objects, I'll probably start implementing using the proposed suggestion. Hasteur (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Include judges for the individual challenge?

Should we include the judges for the individual challange? (Ludo Lefebvre, owner of LudoBites; Quinn and Karen Hatfield, owners of Hatfield's; Suzanne Tracht owner of Tracht; and Michael Cimarusti owner of Providence.). Given that the order is the order that they came out, I don't think duplicating the list is a copyright issue.Naraht (talk) 01:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking not. If it's 1 or 2 guest judges we can accept it, but a larger guest judge pannel is a bit much. Episode 8 had the panel of 4 judges for the "Upscale Sale" challange. Hasteur (talk) 12:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The contestants heights

This is irrelevant and does not have any actual data to back up the heights. Can someone please explain to me why the contestants HEIGHTS are needed in this table? They do not have any impact on the season, this is not a modelling competition. Also, where did they get the height from?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.122.217.114 (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Russel Kook II has a clearly incorrect height. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.88.17.90 (talk) 00:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Heights are not relevant as they are not listed in the show as such, only their hometowns, positions, and age at the start of the show. -AngusWOOF (talk) 03:27, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Copyedit done

I trimmed down the summaries for the episodes, but it still may have too much detail to be useful. Some of the challenges are fairly compact though so I suggest they follow that format. I also added the Fox official recap tabs from the archives in case someone wanted to read further details on the events. Also tweaked the contestant progress table, not the colors themselves but how the legend is worded. It might be worth using for the other seasons. I also footnoted some of the more interesting trivia from each episode such as the roulette wheel, or "this is the third time ever that a contestant was eliminated from a winning team" or "They didn't meet Wolfgang Puck himself. -AngusWOOF (talk) 03:32, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

It's been six years, so perhaps you can fix the Opening Intro Sequence section next. It's factually incorrect. I would do it myself, but I'm not experienced enough. Telcia (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:39, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Colour contrast problems

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First Intro not in a kitchen?

Season 6 had the carnival theme, which was a) clearly also "not" a kitchen and b) before this one. Season 7 had SOME kitchen elements but was clearly meant to show "real hell". This sentence can't stand like that. --178.203.26.81 (talk) 12:57, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Recaps

In an edit today, links to episode recaps on the Fox website were removed with the summary "not appropriate to add this information to an episode table".[1] However, there is nothing in any of our policies or guidelines that prevent such content being linked. Indeed, content in the ShortSummary field for each episode is a recap of the episode so the removal doesn't really make sense. Accordingly I have restored the content, which was added to the article in 2013, and directed the editor who removed it to discuss here. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:59, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Nowhere in WP:MOSTV does it says that links to recaps are appropriate. It states that the episode tables should include list of the writers, directors, airdates, episode title and episode number, [and] If production codes are added, they must be reliably sourced. Also, why only have this column for season 8, while the other 16 seasons do not? It should be consistent with the rest of the seasons. These recaps are sources for the content in the description/plot section, which is not needed per MOS:PLOT. - Brojam (talk) 19:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Nowhere in the MOS does it say recap links are not appropriate and what you've quoted is not what we are limited to listing. The very reason we have the Aux1-4 parameters is so we can list content not listed at the MOS. That the content is not included in other seasons is irrelevant. It really comes under WP:OSE. Season articles may contain whatever is felt to be relevant to the season. There is nothing stopping the recaps being added to other seasons. Nor are they being used here as sources for the plot section. They exist as standalone links. In fact, use of these recaps is probably a better option than a detailed recap in the ShortSummary field, which is only supposed to contain 100-200 words. All of the plot summaries here are from 226-485 words. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

The Aux. parameters are for content, not simply external links. Wouldn't it be better to add the recap links as refs in the ShortSummary instead of having a completely separate column for them? - Brojam (talk) 23:53, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

ShortSummary shouldn't have to have the links as footnotes, but I'm okay with keeping them in the Aux spot as with ratings. ShortSummary can then be trimmed to the 100-200 words. Also, there's precedence to use Aux to link to the actual videos online for web series, so those can be helpful. If it's really an annoyance to have links to official site recaps/video, then an external link to the season's episode summaries can be placed at the bottom of the article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

There is no rule that says Aux1-4 are only for content. The instructions merely say "General purpose parameter. The meaning is specified by the column header." They can and are used for virtually anything. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:39, 19 September 2017 (UTC)