Talk:Heglig Crisis

Abyei

What does "even though Sudan was the first state to recognise South Sudan" have to do with the disputed region of Abyei? It's tacked on to the end like the reader is supposed to know why that matters. Lots of states which recognize eachother have disputed territories. --98.203.99.251 (talk) 21:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

News report

More info in this afp report to add to the article. Must get back to work, will drop in later EdwardLane (talk) 12:01, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Name change possibilies

The situation looks like it is already full blown war, given South Sudan has basically invaded the north, seized one of its towns and the North had bombed South Sudanese territory and lost one of its warplanes. Plus Sudan also has declared a general mobilsation of its forces. Should the title be changed something like "2012 South Sudan-Sudan border war" or "2012 South Sudan-Sudan War" or something else ? or remain as it is for present ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.209.235 (talk) 21:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Support Sudan has just declared war on South Sudan. It is now offically a war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kspence92 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• Wait for a few days until/if it gets clearer--Reader1987 (talk) 12:10, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
• Wait I would also suggest to wait until sources describe it as such, though Sudan has indeed declared a state of war with South Sudan.XavierGreen (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Adding up casualty figures

Can anyone edit the casualty lits, especially civilian casulties so we dont need to add in a new ref each time someone is killed for the purpose of each ref adding up the casualties. im sure there is away to keep all casualties adding up within one ref without having loads of refs after the deathtoll or injury toll ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.106.135 (talk) 12:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Map

What we need here is a map that shows the whole border and main dispute points.--Reader1987 (talk) 13:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Heglig

/BBC is reporting that South Sudan is to withdraw its troops from the Heglig oil field / Sudan claims to have re-captured Heglig town.

Couldn't see that in the article; is it worth putting up, or waiting to see if we can find any independent corroboration of either event having happened?

A Chuisle Mo Chroí (talk) 22:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

All news updates

http://www.conflictmap.org/conflict/southern_sudan Check this page. Cheers, --Reader1987 (talk) 11:25, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

¿Renaming the article?

More than a border conflict, this is a border war.--Zarateman (talk) 12:22, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved by Mushroom (talk · contribs), no subsequent disagreement. (non-admin closure) Jenks24 (talk) 08:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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Sudan Oil War → 2012 South Sudan–Sudan border conflict – I disagree strongly with the recent flurry of renamings here (a user appears to have renamed this page four times in one hour). First, this was done unilaterally, in violation of WP:MOVE, which asks that potentially controversial moves be made only after posting a note at the relevant talk page. Second, news media describes this conflict as a "conflict" or at most, "recently close to war", not a war. (See, e.g., today's BBC: [1] or the most recent NYT coverage: [2]) Declaring war here before it's formally declared there is both inaccurate and wildly irresponsible. Third, adding the phrase "oil war" to the title is a bit of editorializing and a violation of WP:COMMONNAME. "Sudan Oil War" gets only four hits on Google News today, all of which are "Sudan's Oil War". Fourth, there's no reason to remove South Sudan from the title when there are two countries involved here, not just one. Fifth, on a personal level, I find it disappointing that any user would be so eager for war as to jump the gun and declare one on one of the world's most visited websites before the combatants themselves or world media have done so. (Did someone look at the Sudan-South Sudan region and think, hm, not enough death here?) News media does, unfortunately, sometimes look to Wikipedia for information--let's not put up fake information about a highly sensitive situation.

I'd like to see this thoughtless move quickly undone, and this page returned to the more accurate and common description of 2012 South Sudan–Sudan border conflict. I'd undo it right now, but because of the quadruple name change, I can't undo it without a vote. How do others feel about this one? Khazar2 (talk) 17:16, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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• Support immediate move per my reasons given in discussion. Celuici (talk) 18:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Yes, 'Sudan Oil War' is not a good title, for the reasons outlined (especially reasons 2-4). This is an ongoinging event of global importance -- the article title should not be left as it is for an entire week. The article should be moved back to where it was right away, followed by a discussion here about the title. Celuici (talk) 18:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done. I have moved the article back. Mushroom (Talk) 18:44, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Proposal to rename article "Two Nations War"

We can use the title: Two Nations War? Luis Molnar (Talk) 19:32, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose for now - Please first demonstrate that a majority of sources use that name. And while I know you mean well, please stop moving this page without discussing it here first; it's extremely disruptive. Khazar2 (talk) 17:37, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose - No case for the motion. 'Two Nations War' fails to correctly describe the nature of the events nor is it used by any media or source. -- Secondat of Orange (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• Obvious oppose, that's more funny than silly--93.137.152.4 (talk) 07:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

New battle - Warguet?

http://allafrica.com/stories/201205311245.html --93.137.152.4 (talk) 07:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

This conflict was about far more than Heglig, and its outright counterfactual to claim this was a clear-cut Arab victory. South Sudan was not the only invader here, and it would be far more fair to say both sides repelled each other. In other words, we're talking about a tie rather than victory/defeat (if this is to be considered a war at all, which is highly dubious). --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 19:28, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Rename to South Sudan - Sudan Border War (2012)

Since the Sudanese actually declared a state of war with South Sudan and given the light that the war has ended. I propose this article be renamed to South Sudan - Sudan Border War (2012) which is a more accurate title.XavierGreen (talk) 00:21, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Rename to Heglig Crisis

That's the name I have heard most often. What do you people think? --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:51, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Sudan–South Sudan Border War → Heglig Crisis – Because this is the only sourced name of the conflict. The current name is entirely made-up, while 'Heglig Crisis' gives 1,370 hits on google. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 11:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• Support: I'm not a fan of user-invented titles, so this seems like a good response.Brigade Piron (talk) 09:36, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

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