Talk:Good Riddance (album)/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Locust member (talk · contribs) 14:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: CatchMe (talk · contribs) 04:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to review this in the upcoming hours/days! By the way, @Locust member: I see you have several nominations; if you want more to be reviewed, I suggest you do so with other articles if you wish, and perhaps ask the nominators to check out yours. CatchMe (talk) 04:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking on another one of my articles! And yeah you are right, I feel I've been nominating maybe too many articles at once. I have been wanting to get around to reviewing more as well, so thank you for the tip / heads up. Locust member (talk) 10:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

There's no limit, it's actually impressive! Just a tip in case you don't want to wait that long. I see that there's not much feedback on other music articles at the moment. CatchMe (talk) 11:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Infobox and lead

• Infobox good!
• "After the release of two successful EPs..." - "After the release of two acclaimed EPs"? I see that the EPs received critical acclaim and attention from high-profile musicians (as seen in Background), but maybe "successful" isn't the word since only the second charted on Billboard.

Y also put in "extended plays (EPs)" if that's fine. Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...she would stay at Long Pond for five or ten days at a time." - is this really lead-worthy?

Y I only put that there to show that it wasn't recorded 25 days in a row. Removed it though Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

In this case "...in the Hudson Valley, New York, across 25 non-consecutive days" could work? Also added "the" and a comma, missed these.

Y Locust member (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• I don't think the names of the tracks that received additional production/writing are necessary here.

Y Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• "Good Riddance is primarily a pop album with whispered vocals and pulls from a moody and electronic sonic palette." - "Good Riddance is primarily a pop album with whispered vocals, drawing from a moody and electronic sonic palette."

Y Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...the album is written about..." - "the album was written about"? Since it's not being written in the present.

Y Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• "The album was promoted by..." - "It was promoted by" to avoid repetition.

Y Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• "The album was promoted by four singles..." - The infobox lists three.

Y Forgot to change that after removing "Block Me Out" from the infobox Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...and the Good Riddance Tour across North America, Europe, and Australia." - "and the Good Riddance Tour, which passed across North America, Europe, and Australia."?

Y Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...praising Abrams' confessional songwriting but felt mixed about Dessner's production." - felt mixed?

Y changed to "were mixed" Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

"Praising" refers to the critics, but "mixed" refers to the reviews, so it's not consistent. "Critics gave the album generally favorable reviews; they praised Abrams' confessional songwriting, but had a mixed response to Dessner's production" comes to mind.

Y Locust member (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...several publications featured it on their year-end lists." - Specify that they were of the best albums of/released in 2023.

Y Locust member (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Background

• "Minor inspired Rodrigo's Billboard Hot 100 number-one hit "Drivers License" in 2021." - replace "hit" with "single", which is more used in GAs for neutrality.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "The EPs also received critical acclaim." - Only the third source verifies this. You could use this one instead, though. Also, not sure about the reliability of The Young Folks.

Y just used the LOBF source since it encompasses both EPs Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "Abrams joined alongside Rodrigo's Sour Tour" - remove "alongside".

Y I realized I should add in the dates for these tours as well, which I did, if that's fine. Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• You could replace the uDiscoverMusic source (ref 11) with this.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...there's also a satirical side to it that she liked..." - "she liked its satirical side"?

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...so she said "good riddance" to "versions of myself that [she] didn’t recognize anymore"." - "myself" and "she" isn't consistent. Also see MOS:CURLY for "didn't".

Y rookie mistakes... Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Writing and recording

• "...Abrams practiced on being more accountable..." - "Abrams practiced on becoming more accountable"?

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "She enlisted returning collaborator..." - "She enlisted her returning collaborator"?

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Maybe mention that Abrams worked with Dessner on This Is What it Feels Like.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "She would often work 12-hour days and would write up to two songs..." - remove the second "would".

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...felt that her and Dessner would get along." - "felt that she and Dessner would get along."

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...during spring 2021..." - see MOS:SEASON.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "When working with Dessner, she said that she didn't..." - replace "didn't" with "did not" since it's not part of a quote (MOS:N'T).

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "She had felt lucky to be able to evolve without Slatkin, a former collaborator of her's, and that "with Aaron, [she] felt safe to figure out [her] sound alone" when writing Good Riddance." - "She felt lucky to evolve without Slatkin, another of her former collaborators, and safe to "figure out" her sound with Dessner when writing Good Riddance." I feel this is more clear and correct.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "It was recorded in one take as Dessner recorded the guitar..." - replace the second "recorded" with "played" to avoid repetition.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Composition

• "...the album held similarities..." - "the album holds similarities" for consistency.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Again, replace "is" with "was" in "Good Riddance is written about..."

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "Dork wrote that the album takes you on..." - replace "takes you on" with "is" to be more formal I think.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Italicize Rolling Stone.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...and are..." - ", and said that they are..."

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "The album's opening track, "Best", analyzes Abrams' misgivings in a relationship and takes responsibility for them." - On the album's opening track, "Best", Abrams analyzes her misgivings in a relationship and takes responsibility for them." Since the track itself isn't taking responsability imo.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...and the sorrows of going through your early 20s." - "the" or "her" instead of "your".

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "It admits the fact that..." - "On the track, she admits that..."

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Replace "doesn't" with "does not" for the reason specified above.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Is uDiscover Music reliable? See this, where a user linked three other discussions about its use.

I've read how it is fine for verifiability for tours and such, though I do think its use in this article is flaky. I wrote this article before I knew it was owned by UMG. I just removed the sentence explaining "Difficult". I left it in for discussion about the deluxe edition of the album as that is just factual information that contains zero bias. It just unfortunately, no other sources reported on it afaik. It is fine as a "last resort" and for verifying information per this discussion. Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "It explores feelings like losing friends..." - "It explores feelings such as losing friends..."

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "The penultimate..." - "The penultimate song, "

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Avoid one-sentence paragraphs.

Y just added it to the end of the second paragraph in Songs Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Promotion and release

• "Abrams announced the album on January 9, 2023, alongside the announcement of the North American leg..." - "On January 9, 2023, Abrams announced the album and the North American leg..."

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...which she began..." - "which began"

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "She released the second single "Where Do We Go Now?" on January 13..." - The second single, "Where Do We Go Now?", was released on January 13..."

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Critical reception

• I think the last two opinions from the first paragraph (Mylrea and Muller) should be moved to the second, following the theme.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• "...and her songwriting..." - remove "her songwriting" since its already talking about that.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• There's too many "songwriting"/"writing"/"lyricism"/"storytelling"/"lyrics" in the second paragraph.. Replace with "it" or remove when convenient.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• A complete sentence should begin with a capital letter after a colon, and without it when there's no colon. E.g. after "Ravenscroft called the production predictable and generic:..." in this section, and after "...there's also a satirical side to it that she liked:..." in Background.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Again, the word "production" is mentioned eight times in the third paragraph. Replace when convenient.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Could there be some prose about the year-end listicles? And I would remove the unranked lists and the "Where Do We Go Now?" list from the table, worth a mention though.

Track listing

• The note is unnecessary.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• I would change the headline of the track listing with "Standard edition track listing" and "Deluxe edition bonus tracks" per MOS:TABLECAPTION and WP:TRACKLIST.

Y Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Personnel

• This section should be sourced per WP:VERIFIABILITY.

Y another editor made it sourced in an invisible note when editing. Changed it Locust member (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Overall

I had many comments on this article, but I don't think is "long way" from meeting any of the criteria. The article is stable, broad, verifiable, illustrated, and contains no copyright violations. Most of the issues are 1a. and 1b. But most of these could be resolved easily. I will put this  On hold now. CatchMe (talk) 23:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't realize how many obvious mistakes there were on this one. I'm grateful they were just little things, though! Did all that you critiqued, hopefully it is to your liking now. Locust member (talk) 02:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Excellent job, this was quicker than I thought! Regarding this edit, wasn't that talking about the production and writing of Good Riddance instead of the EP? And in "saying, "to be comfortable...", "To" should be capitalized since it starts a full sentence quote after a comma. I would remove "saying" because it doesn't quite make sense imo since she's explaining its "satirical side". CatchMe (talk) 03:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh boy, my brain is fried 🤦‍♂️ you're absolutely right haha, just changed it back.

Also changed the "satirical side" thing. Locust member (talk) 03:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry! I just did an edit removing duplicate refs and doing other fixes. I'm glad that I will ✓ Pass this now, congrats!! CatchMe (talk) 03:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.