Talk:Gastropoda

Classification

I hope the classification is reasonable. I had to cobble it together from the web, not being intimately familiar with gastropod classification. There seems to be three radically different classification schemes out there for the gastropods, and I had to choose one. Hope I got it reasonably right. jaknouse 02:50 Mar 31, 2003 (UTC)

Could not link to Gastropoda

I was preparing a page on the family Barleeidae, order Neotaenioglossa, when I saw that I could not make a link to Gastropoda.

I know, the classification of Gastropoda is rather confused. But I think a reworking of this page is in order.

I am loath to interfere with your work. There I want to leave it up to you.

Take a look at the website : University of Michigan and you will see that things are looking there quite different from this page at Wikipedia.

There is also another classification going on. I think this may be even the newest classification.

See following website :

[1] [2]

The author of these last website can be reached by email on :

mkosnik+gbrdb@alumni.uchicago.edu

Perhaps he can bring a bit of order in this confusion.

JoJan 19:50, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Since I got no response, I have tried to put some order in the taxonomy JoJan 21:03, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Geological history

Dlloyd 09:57, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Dlloyd 00:44, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Number of species

What is this sentence trying to say? Are there 60-75k species or over 100k, or what? Horatio 17:21, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

"The gastropods, or univalves, are the largest and most successful class of mollusks, with 60,000-75,000 species, and second largest class of animals, with over 100,000 species, comprising the snails and slugs as well as a vast number of marine and freshwater species."

It should say 60-75k (recent) species. There are about 100k known extant species of molluscs as a whole, which makes molluscs the second largest phylum (not class) of animals, in terms of recorded species (Arthropods being the largest). I've corrected the page accordingly M Alan Kazlev 03:53, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

A note

could we have an article on snail slime? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superruss (talk • contribs) 15:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah TechKnight25 (talk) 01:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

New taxonomy of Bouchet & Rocroi (2005)

I took the plunge and made an article on this new taxonomy down to the level of family, placed temporarily on my user page User:JoJan/Taxonomy. This is an umbellished article without much explanation and without synonyms or author names. If necessary, these data can be added into the articles about the taxa.

I invite every collaborator of the gastropod project to look at it closely. Even at first sight, the differences with the taxonomy of Ponder & Lindberg (1997) are considerable. This new taxonomy has tried to reconcile the recent advances by using unranked monophyletic clades for taxa above the rank of superfamily (replacing the ranks suborder, order, superorder and subclass), while using the traditional Linnaean approach for all taxa below the rank of superfamily. Whenever monophyly has not been tested or is known to be paraphyletic or polyphyletic, the term "group" or "informal group" has been used.

This poses a big problem for all our existing articles and taxoboxes. Between class and superfamily there are no other ranks left in the new hierarchy except clades or "informal groups". I wonder how we are to deal with this.

After some considering, I propose to leave the taxoboxes as they are, except when a name has become invalid, e.g. Pseudothecosomata, a suborder that has become the superfamily Cymbulioidea. I haven't moved this article yet to the new name Cymbulioidea until we have reached some agreement. And I suppose there will be numerous other cases to be dealt with.

Furthermore, I propose to put the taxonomy of Ponder & Lindberg from its place in the article Gastropoda into its own article Taxonomy of the Gastropoda - Ponder & Lindberg (1997) (unless someone proposes a better name) and leave in the article Gastropoda under the header "taxonomy" a link and some explanation. The same goes for the new taxonomy : Taxonomy of the Gastropoda - Bouchet & Rocroi (2005) and again leave a link and some explanation in the article Gastropoda. JoJan (talk) 19:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you JoJan for doing this (and for letting me know about it.) I feel this is an excellent addition both to the project and to the encyclopedia as a whole. I agree with your suggestions for how to entitle both this one, and the other new article you would create by moving the Ponder and Lindberg taxonomy to become its own article. As for the taxonomy itself, it will take me some time to get a feel for it, but I think it is an interesting new approach. Invertzoo (talk) 15:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Me again. We will have to see how the malacological community receives this taxonomy and what the upcoming Ponder and Lindberg 2008 paper ends up looking like. But if this kind of system does win out in the end and stabilizes, I assume we will just have to redo the basic taxobox with slots for clades and informal group, in between rankings for class and superfamily. Invertzoo (talk) 15:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a caption name "Proposed classification". There should be explained the term "proposed". Or there can be caption name only "Classification" but there should be explained the classification scheme. I can suggest this characteristics: "The classification below follows Linnaean taxonomy with taxonomical corrections according (Bouchet & Rocroi, 2005)." Is it approximately right? --Snek01 (talk) 18:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I've given some explanation about the uses of the older and the new taxonomy. JoJan (talk) 19:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

sleepy snails?

I heard they can sleep for thirteen years. Is this true? 01:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Napkin Party (talk • contribs)

No, snails can only sleep up to three years, which is still a lot. RSCorundum (talk) 03:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for providing info on this particular fauna 49.245.106.72 (talk) 05:12, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

A little cleanup?

Some parts of this article are worded pretty poorly, with dubious grammar. Could someone a bit more snail-ly knowledgeable than I perform a little cleanup? the infamous rmx (talk) 19:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• I used some brasso on the monitor, but it didn't work. 130.220.79.178 (talk) 05:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

This shell is to cover the snail and protect it from getting hurt by predators and it also keeps it moisterized because if there is no moister the snail will dry out and die.

Wow, four separate one sentence paragraphs in the lead exclaiming how diverse are the snails ?!?! μηδείς (talk) 04:16, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Gastropoda subclass: Apogastropoda

Should Apogastropoda be listed as a subclass of Gastropoda? Gastropoda articles claims only four subclasses [3]. Are there five or more? I know nothing about this. I just made the Apogastropoda article because there was high demand for it. Please advise. Thanks.

I have posted this at...
Talk:Taxonomy of the Gastropoda (Bouchet & Rocroi, 2005)
Talk:Taxonomy of the Gastropoda (Ponder & Lindberg, 1997)
Talk:Gastropoda--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Further digging shows [4]that perhaps the sequence goes

Gastropoda, Orthogastropoda, Apogastropoda. Is this right?--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply : see Talk:Taxonomy of the Gastropoda (Bouchet & Rocroi, 2005) JoJan (talk) 16:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Some inconsistencies

There is considerable discrepancy between the § Respiratory system …The respiratory protein in almost all gastropods is hemocyanin, but a pulmonate family Planorbidae have hemoglobin as respiratory protein…and:… Hemoglobin is present in the hemolymph as the respiratory pigment... in the following § (which needs to be expanded).

Also: nudibranch denotes a shell-less animal with nude gills. The …rosette of feathery plumes on their backs… is usually towards the tail-end, hence Opisthobranchia. Tusbra (talk) 16:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I learned something.

gastropods have both sex organs, meaning that they are hermaphroditic creatures.--Superscaryguy (talk) 14:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Not all of them, in fact. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

My category outline edit

I think anyone who is taking a serious look at gastropods in a post-secondary education fashion will more than likely be interested in their neurological aspects. Historically, seaslugs have been used for neuroscience research, especially Lymnea in relation to examining long-term potentiation. I don't think people use gastropods for too many other fields of research, which is why I boosted up the nervous system and sensory category to a higher place in the article. --Cyberman (talk) 07:09, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Copyright and images

The SEM image Haliotis asinina trochophore.jpg is clearly from a published journal article. It says that it is uploaded through the Creative Commons license, but has not been done by the author. How is that done? If one is not the author of the image, and it is not in the public domain, how are we to use such images properly on Wikipedia? There are a lot of really nice and useful images out there, but I can not see a way to use them without violating copyright.Shellnut (talk) 15:58, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

It was uploaded by User:Snek01 from an open-access article of BMC:Evolutionary Biology. This article states clearly that its content falls under CC.2.0-by, a compatible license for Wikipedia [5]. This doesn't require the original author to upload the images. But it requires proper citation. The [[File:Haliotis asinina trochophore.jpg]] clearly gives the necessary citations. JoJan (talk) 16:50, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Of escargots and gasteropodes

"...described under the vernacular (French) name "gasteropodes" by Georges Cuvier in 1795." No, the French vernacular is escargots. In French the rather literary gasteropodes is a term that follows Cuvier, not one that precedes him. Someone may want to fix this. --Wetman (talk) 19:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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Cladists take over, ordinary readers lose

The traditional taxonomy is (at least potentially) comprehensible to interested lay (non-scientist) readers. OTOH, cladism is, and will remain, incomprehensible to the majority of readers.

So now we have reached the point, in Wikipedia, where there are only kingdom, phylum, class (if that) and nothing else? No orders or genera?

Also, where in the Bible or the Constitution, on what set of stone tablets, is it inscribed that the only valid categorical systems are those based on genetic family relationships?

IMHO, cladists are all crazy even when they're technically correct. But more importantly, they're speaking only to each other. Is Wikipedia an encyclopedia for the broadly educated public, or a preening ground for arch-specialists to signal their arcane virtue to each other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.101.14 (talk) 19:53, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Rotation Hypothesis

I removed this paragraph "However, this "rotation hypothesis" is being challenged by the "asymmetry hypothesis" in which the gastropod mantle cavity originated from one side only of a bilateral set of mantle cavities.<ref name="gastropod development">{{cite journal| author=Louise R. Page| title=Modern insights on gastropod development: Reevaluation of the evolution of a novel body plan| journal=Integrative and Comparative Biology| date=April 2006| volume=46| issue=2| pages=134–143| doi=10.1093/icb/icj018| pmid=21672730| doi-access=free}}</ref>" because the reference is now seventeen years old, and this issue must have more recent references. Did the challenge succeed? Did the challenge fail? What is the current most accepted hypothesis about the evolutionary origin of the gastropod mantle cavity? Nick Beeson (talk) 17:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)