Talk:Funny Games (2007 film)/Archive 1

Archive 1

First entry

This is my first entry. What can I do to find myself in compliance with quality standards? The index of topics is a little intimidating. Thanks Belmondodo 17:45, June 28, 2006

It's looking good for a first entry. I'm sure others will help with updates and formating as you go along. User:Lugnuts - 08:34 12/09/2006

Naomi Watts is attached

Not sure if this is correct, but IMDB shows Naomi Watts as definitely attached and the movie seems to be in post-production, meaning shooting has wrapped. The-bus 14:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Article sounds like an opinion piece

The whole article sounds like an opinion piece. Unless you can back up the numerous claims with some credible sources, this is clearly non neutral-POV. - Sami, 18 Jan, 2007.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.1.151.184 (talk • contribs) 08:38, January 18, 2007

Winter 2008 release

Warner Independent Pictures now lists Funny Games for Winter 2008 release. The release date on other sites is stated to be January 18, 2008. Courtney5780 17:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Watts is English

As far as I can tell, Naomi Watts is English, not Australian as stated in the first paragraph.Pigonthestairs 21:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

She was born in England, but moved to Australia as a child and is an Australian citizen. --143.50.212.155 (talk) 02:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

"Shot-by-shot remake"

I'd say we need a citation on the statement that this film is a "shot-by-shot remake" of the original. The official website for the film does not identify it as such, so it'd be nice to know whether its actually based on fact or if someone got it off of a forum someplace.  :) -Elizabennet | talk 18:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added 3 references. Lugnuts (talk) 18:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Also search for the trailers on Youtube. It's def. shot-for-shot. Lugnuts (talk) 12:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

2007?

Wasn't this film technically released in 2007 at certain film festivals? Both imdb.com and allmovie.com state it's year of release as 2007. Should this be changed? Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Citation(s) for use

• Steve Hyden (2008-03-17). "A Funny Response to 'Funny Games'". The A.V. Club. Retrieved 2008-03-17. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help) - I probably won't find time to incorporate this myself, but it's here should anyone want to. An interesting analysis of the film, hammering home the point that "Funny Games can be appreciated even if you ignore [the director]'s finger wagging because, in spite of himself, he’s a master at creating what he despises." No, not ahhh. Steve ^{T • C} 21:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Spoiler warning

This film came out recently so there should be a spoiler warning in the plot section right before the first plot twist. 99.161.122.252 (talk) 23:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Wikipedia has reached consensus on the issue of spoiler warnings, judging them inconsistent with the aims of a serious encyclopedia. It is assumed that seeing a section titled Plot or Plot summary is enough to inform a reader that he or she is about to read details of said plot. However, this is a long-running debate, which you are welcome to join should you feel strongly enough about it. Relevant current discussion, as well as archives of the discussions which led to the deletion of the spoiler warning tag can be found on this page. All the best, Steve ^{T • C} 23:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Comparison between the two

Haven't seen either of them, and while I'm aware that its shot-for-shot, I've read that there are subtle differences, like Naomi Watt's character becoming more 'sexualized'. Is this worth bringing up?--CyberGhostface (talk) 02:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I would think so, as long as we're citing a reliable source. I recommend putting it in a Production section (maybe the sources have some good information on the development (that is, if there was any! lol)) rather than a section just addressing "differences".
Jim Dunning | talk 03:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

move to Funny Games U.S.

This is the film's full name, anyone opposing the move?--Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 14:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean, it's its full name? I haven't seen the movie, but what does the credits call it?--CyberGhostface (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I think they call it different in the United States, but the movie's full name in the rest of the world is Funny Games U.S. (according to imdb). See also the french poster and the German Wiki. I saw the film (here in France) and the credits at the beginning said Funny Games U.S. --Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 21:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

How strange. Nevertheless, this is an American(-funded) film, so I'd be inclined to leave it at the American title. Steve ^{T • C} 22:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

That's a strange reasoning, we should try and found out what the artists call the film, not who paid for it. --Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 23:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I changed it from Funny Games (2008 film) to Funny Games U.S., the credits in the film itself seem to be a very convincing argument.--Patrick (talk) 20:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Music

Why does the name of the closing credits song require a citation? Why does stating that the disc carries both wide and full-screen editions require a citation? These seem like petty things that can be corroborated by anyone who owns a copy of the DVD.SweetNightmares (talk) 08:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Iron Maiden - Brave New World

I am sure that there is no Iron Maiden song in this movie. As far as i know, there is also no soundtrack separately sold for it. The metal music you hear a couple of times including the beginning and the end credits is Hellraiser/Bonehead by Naked City. If anybody has any evidence of Iron Maiden in Funny Games U.S. or on a soundtrack for it, please tell me, otherwise i will delete the references here and on the Brave New World page. --143.50.212.155 (talk) 02:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

There is no seperate soundtrack for the film, as there are only four or five pieces of music in it. The classical pieces at the start, then Hellraiser/Bonehead by Naked City, like you say.

Who suggested there was Iron Maiden in the film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shotgunjoe (talk • contribs) 23:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it makes sense to link this here, but: diff-page showing original edit --143.50.217.13 (talk) 21:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Mistake in the Plot?

I haven't watched this movie yet but there seems to be a mistake in the plot. At the end of one paragraph it says "Before the game is over, though, she grabs the loaded gun and kills Peter with it." Yet in the next two paragraphs, the character appears to be alive. I don't know which one is wrong but could someone who has seen the movie correct it. --Mrrko (talk) 13:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

No mistake. You need to watch the film to appreciate what happens. After Ann shoots Peter, Paul grabs the TV remote and uses it to rewind the film to just before the shooting. Then, knowing what's going to happen, Paul prevents Ann from shooting Peter. Freaky, but true.
Jim Dunning | talk 17:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I just read it again, must have missed that part, my bad.--81.159.209.37 (talk) 22:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Archive 1

Move?

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The result of the move request was not moved. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

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Funny Games (2008 film) → Funny Games (2007 film) —

• Funny Games (2008 film) → Funny Games (2007 film) — Film premiered in 2007, not 2008 — BOVINEBOY2008 21:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
• That was only at a film festival, the actual release of the movie wasn't until 2008 (which is what is usually used). At the very least this needs a discussion. TJ Spyke 23:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
• Keep as is per WP:FILMCAT, which states "by year - this should be the first year released to a general audience." Lugnuts (talk) 05:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films). "When disambiguating films of the same name, add the year of its first public release (this excludes film festival screenings)." - kollision (talk) 15:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

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Plot summary

Needs to be fuller. Is anyone able to oblige? --Legis (talk - contribs) 01:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I've just reverted an edit from a user who keeps removing it, but doesn't state why. Lugnuts (talk) 08:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I notice that this plot summary is almost exactly word for word the same as the plot summary of the older Australian version of this film. Is that ok? Dylan (talk) 00:29, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

As they're in essence the same film, except for language, then yes. Lugnuts (talk) 07:28, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I was just not sure regarding Wikipedias plagiarism policy. Thanks Dylan (talk) 15:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Austrian, not Australian. I can't help but think some explanation of interpretation of this film may be helpful as it was so badly misunderstood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.254.51.170 (talk) 08:18, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 06:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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Funny Games (2008 film) → Funny Games (2007 film) – This request was first raised in 2009 (see above), however the policies at the time pointed towards the 2008 disambig, as this was the year of its first public release. However, since then consensus changed and the guidelines for naming conventions (films) and film release dates were brought into line, as the conflicted each other. Now the guidance states "first verifible release, including festivals". This change is now replicated in the category guidance. As this film first screened in 2007, the current title is incorrect, per our own guidelines. Lugnuts ^{And the horse} 18:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Support. Per change in guideline for WP:NCF and WP:FILMRELEASE. BOVINEBOY2008 20:08, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks BB - I was going to put a note on your talkpage to notify you about this. Lugnuts ^{And the horse} 07:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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Website

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://wip.warnerbros.com/funnygames/

was a website but it looks like it wasn't archived WhisperToMe (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Horror film?

User:FollowTheSigns is claiming that this is a horror film, but hasn't provided any sources, so the WP:BURDEN is with them to provide some. IMO it's def. not a horror film. I'd like to hear thoughts of others. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 09:18, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

• http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/lists/20-scariest-movies-you-need-to-see-20141029/funny-games-1997-20141029
• http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/the-25-best-horror-movies-streaming-on-netflix-right-now/funny-games

It's very plainly in the horror genre. czar 18:25, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Yup I also found this Telegraph article from before the film was out that describes it as horror. --Deathawk (talk) 09:37, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

• While I'm aware that IMDb is not a RS, it's also listed as a horror film on IMDb. It's also described here (RogerEbert.com) as "campy-scary horror movie". There's enough out there to where it could be considered to fall within the horror genre. It's not the main way it's identified so I wouldn't change the lead, but it's enough to where I could see the reasons he added the categories. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:40, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

"Shot-for-shot"

Very simple - it isn't shot-for-shot. If you lined the two films up next to each other, they would look similar but significantly different - different angles, different... whatever. The reviews you've listed simply toe the line of this lazy description, often while using caveats about how it isn't quite shot-for-shot at all. In the Haneke interview, he says his 'principle was to take it shot by shot', which isn't saying the same thing. He means that was his basic approach - he isn't talking about the result. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.157.158 (talk) 09:27, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

It is shot-for-shot, per the many sources that state this. Do you have any sources to support your view? Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 09:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Scene with dead dog - Austrian version: car parked with boot towards camera, actor winks. US version: car parked further in distance with left hand side towards camera, actor doesn't wink. Similar. Not the same. "Almost shot-for-shot" - sure. Actually shot-for-shot identical - no. http://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2009/11/twmoat_funny_games.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.157.158 (talk) 11:35, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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Thompsons

The plot section (and possibly the cast section) is mistaken: the third family that interrupts the proceedings doesn't have the surname Thompson. The Thompsons are the first family that greets the Farbers when they first arrive. Ann introduces Paul to the third family by saying, "This is Paul. He's staying with the Thompsons next door." Kumagoro-42 (talk) 22:58, 12 April 2019 (UTC)