Talk:Fort Pontchartrain du Détroit

Where did the French Settlers come from?

From where did they first travel from, to Detroit.

The French came largely from Canada.

Travel at that time was by canoe. On June 5, 1701, Cadillac’s expedition consisting of 25 long canoes and 100 Frenchmen, set out from La Chine, on the St. Lawrence River, near Montreal. The expedition followed the northern route along the Ottawa River, Lake Nipissing, French River, Georgian Bay, Lake Huron, the St. Clair River, Lake St. Clair and finally the Detroit River. The expedition camped on Grosse Ile on July 23rd. The following day, the expedition rowed upstream and selected a location for the new settlement on a high bluff on the northern shore where they could control the river.

Nwbeeson 18:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

If the fort was presumably destroyed by fire in 1805, then how did Issac Brock capture it in 1812? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.106.144.213 (talk) 00:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

They seem to have been two different forts referred to with the same name. The original Fort Detroit was abandoned in 1779 for a new one named Fort Lernoult. The Jay Treaty ceded Fort Lernoult to the Americans in 1796, when it was renamed Fort Shelby. The name was unpopular and the fort continued to be commonly referred to as Fort Detroit. The Fort Detroit of the War of 1812 is actually Fort Lernoult/Shelby. Relevant sources: [1], [2], [3], Fort Wayne (Detroit). I'm not sure whether this is better described through one article or two. My sense is two articles, since they refer to two different physical locations. But I may add some of the explanatory information here and wait to split off a second article later, since there are lots of War of 1812-related links to this article. -Sarcasmboy 10:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

To-Do: Fix Fort Lernoult/Fort Shelby references

As discussed above, I have added an article on Fort Shelby (Michigan), which was previously called Fort Lernoult and commonly referred to as Fort Detroit during the War of 1812 (although sources vary on whether or not this was ever its official name). As a result, I think a number of pages that link to this article really should be redirected to Fort Lernoult; references dating after September 1813 should refer to Fort Shelby. I will make these changes as time permits, but more help would be welcome... -Sarcasmboy 03:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The opening has this sentence, which may be incorrect, as it contradicts a claim made by the article on Fort Shelby: "The British built Fort Lernoult to the north along the river in 1779. This was later renamed Fort Shelby and was abandoned by the US military in the 1820s" But the article on Fort Shelby claims that it was the original Fort Detroit that was abandoned. From piecing the history together, I think that the Fort Shelby article is right, but I haven't checked out the sources. Somebody who is more familiar with the history should resolve this. MiguelMunoz (talk) 22:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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Geodata

The coordinates currently (3/22/2011) posted are those of a suburb of Montreal. Dsh6640 (talk) 19:29, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I changed coords to align with the (previous?) location of the Michigan Historic Marker, which was in the entrance of the parking garage of the Crowne Plaza Hotel. These are also the coordinates listed in GNIS - but for the marker. GNIS does not have coordinates for the fort itself. The previous coordinates were to the northeast - east of Griswold. All written descriptions agree with the Historic Marker / Crowne Plaza site. The Wikieditor cited kollosus-frwiki, which I don't know how to access. The confusion may have arisen because the Crowne Plaza was formerly the Hotel Pontchartrain and several sites specify the hotel as the site. But there seems to have been an earlier Hotel Pontchartrain along Woodward about where those coordinates appeared, so perhaps the Wikieditor used those coordinates instead. GeorgeofOrange (talk) 00:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Renaming page to Fort Pontchartrain du Détroit

Unless there are any objections, this page will be renamed Fort Pontchartrain du Détroit in order to clearly distinquish it from Fort Shelby which was informally known as Fort Detroit. Lead has been revised. Currently working on adding additional information and citations to the article. Griffin's Sword (talk) 16:47, 17 July 2024 (UTC)