Talk:Flag of North Korea

Korean (Hangul) name

Based on the Korean Wikipedia, the Korean (Hangul) name for this flag is 인공기. Can someone determine what its Hanja equivalent and its literal translation are? --Metric1031 23:45, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it's an abbreviation for 인민공화국기 (人民共和國旗), or, Flag of the People's Republic. Eunsung (talk) 23:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Red Star of Communism

Should the Red Star of Communism be listed as being "famous" or simply "well-known"?

Ingonggi

The short form of the name of the NK flag is "인공기". This should be included somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eunsung (talk • contribs) 23:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Old Flag

"North Korea had originally adopted a "taegeukgi" following independence from Japan with a taoist yin-yang symbol similar to that in the South Korean flag but later revised its flag to more closely reflect that of the USSR."

Does anyone have an image of this flag? I haven't been able to find it anywhere, and am wondering if it exists at all. - MK (^t/_c) 05:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Numbers on the Flags

What is the meaning of the number "4.25" on the Military flags? --Hibernian (talk) 02:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

The "4.25" refers to the date of wich the KPA was formed, the 25th of April. 'A non-registered user'

Vertical Flag

It should be noted that the vertical variant of the North Korean flag has the Red Star within the Circle facing upright —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.178.148 (talk) 11:48, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I wondered about this too. The article does not make it clear ('This is the proper vertical display', presumably of the same flag - whereas we're dealing here with two flags that do not match). In any case, in the horizontal version the line between the two upper side points of the star is horizontal and parallel to the two blue and white stripes, whereas in the vertical version it is not. The upper point, which is perpendicular to the blue and white stripes in the horizontal version, no longer is in the vertical version. Is there any precedent for a different-looking vertical version of a national flag, and does the DPRK constitution make provision for two versions? Or is this simply an error? Or poor design? I see that something similar seems to have happened with the Vietnamese flag, which also includes a five-pointed star - so perhaps having two different versions is standard procedure.213.127.210.95 (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

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Korean Friendship Association

There was a reference to an "official" website of the DPRK in the Symbolism section, I have amended this to Korean Friendship Association as the citation link points to the website of the KFA (korea-dpr.com) which is not an official website of the DPRK, despite what it says! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.151.172.150 (talk) 08:43, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Standard of the Supreme Commander should be redesigned

File:Standard of the Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army -vector21.svg seems not so perfect. See: File:Propaganda in Pyongyang 01.JPG. --Great Brightstar (talk) 16:51, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

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JIP | Talk 13:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

• I see this has already been fixed. JIP | Talk 16:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Is the word "Colonization" really accurate?

in the list of flags section, the flag of the Soviet Civil Administration has a link to the specified page with the text "The flag of the Soviet Union used during the Soviet colonization of the northern part of Korea from October 1945 to September 1948". Considering both the US and the USSR propped up different governments in their own regions, I think the word "Colonization" here is neither a neutral POV (especially since the Flag of South Korea page has a similar instance of the US flag being used for the USAMGIK, but that text just reads "The flag of the United States used during the American military occupation of the southern part of Korea from 1945–1948") nor accurate to most definitions of colonization. Shinydewott (talk) 23:30, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Pre and post 1992

There are pictures of flag versions “(1948–1992)” and “(1992–present)”. These pictures seem very similar. Please could the text describe the change. JDAWiseman (talk) 17:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Rewrite and Good Article preparation (August 2024)

I rewrote most of this article to nominate it for Good Article status. Existing content that was reliably sourced was retained. Content that was unreliably sourced or unsourced was removed. Unreliable sources, particularly self-published blogs, were removed. Much of the existing content was kept; notably, however, I removed the gallery of North Korean flags because the accompanying content was unsourced and not directly relevant to the topic of the national flag. It also served as an unnecessary mirror of List of North Korean flags. Yue🌙 00:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Flag of North Korea/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Yue (talk · contribs) 00:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Seefooddiet (talk · contribs) 09:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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Hey! I'll take up this review. Nice work on the article, and thanks for taking up an important topic like this!

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Some misc comments about style, will post below

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Pending a spot check, will comment on other things first.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Some other comments below

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Feedback

• MOS:SANDWICH in a number of places
• I'm not sure, what are your thoughts on how we deal with Korean: 태극기; RR: Taegeukgi; MR: Taegŭkgi? Is it a proper noun? If so then no italics. If not, then possibly no caps and italics. Also should we use the diacritic? You seem to opt not to; is this because you have a sense there's a WP:COMMONNAME standard to not use the diacritic?
• Some refs that rely on links could use access dates; link rot rate increasing nowadays and these are somewhat useful.

I'll give the history/prose a thorough look soon. Prose is solid and no other obvious MOS issues on a quick glance. Overall solid work, will be a quick review.

@Seefooddiet: Howdy there! Sorry, I've been away for a few days on vacation, but I'm back now. I'll get on your suggestions and concerns shortly. Thanks for taking up this review! Yue🌙 16:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Image sandwiching issues were remedied.
• Taegukgi is the common transliteration in English literature (Google Ngrams example). The romanisation is derived from McCune–Reischauer, but like the explanation of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles#Romanization goes, my decision for the prose ultimately came down to the fact that taegukgi is more common in English literature. This is also why I did not use "flag of Great Extremes" like the author of the cited source (Tertitskiy 2016), because it is not common nor recognisable.
• I can add access dates after checking the live status of the links; they should all still be live.

Yue🌙 00:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Some more feedback from closer read:

• For ref [20], the inline attrib is to Rodong Sinmun, but more specifically the claim is from the South Korean Tongil News's reading of Rodong Sinmun. Maybe should be made clearer inline; normally this would be too specific, but given NK-SK animosity maybe this nuance matters.
• However, Pak's account has not been corroborated by other sources the kowiki article disagrees with this; it cites a 1993 The Dong-A Ilbo article that says Chŏng Sang-jin cooroborates the claim as well.
• Can Lyuh Woon-hyung be described as a "leftist"? I'm not sure; I know only high level details about his life, with narrow detail from misc reading on 1945–1946. 1945–1946 he was center left; his article also repeats this claim.
• A nice-to-have would be more instances in the notable uses section; the flag has shown up in the news over time many times I feel.
• This is a personal pref that you can feel free to disregard, but for ref format I've been prioritizing the use of normal inline refs (i.e. <ref></ref>) and only relying on harv ref format when page numbers need to be cited. Reasoning for this is that most casual Wikipedia users never learn harv ref formatting, and prefer to work with regular inline ref formatting, so I try to meet them where they're at. Uniform harv refs like these are valid per guidelines though.

Verified various facts from refs 4, 6, 9, 20, 21, and 30. seefooddiet (talk) 22:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Seefooddiet: I will remedy the first and second points after reviewing those sources as well. The description of Lyuh Woon-hyung as a "leftist" was taken from the source given, but that descriptor can be removed to avoid contradictions with other articles and the sources cited in them. For the third point, what particular examples of notable uses are you thinking of? In English-language media and Korean-language media from the South, the flag is often discussed during international sports events because it is illegal to fly it in the South. I kept those examples in the section "Legality in South Korea". I did realise though that I did not mention the flag's prominence in North Korean propaganda; I can add that bit shortly. Regarding your last point, I think we should skip that change just because it takes a long time and I don't think it's worth the effort. Yue🌙 23:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• [1] For verification of why I feel Lyuh is maybe not a "leftist" is this source, part of the series Syngman Rhee and Kim Ku. Shortly after liberation, Lyuh was caught in the middle of people on the left that wanted an immediate communist revolution and the right-wing anti-communists.
• For more stuff for the notable uses section, I admittedly don't have any immediate strong ideas, just a gut feeling that there should be more things given the stature of the topic. Maybe how South Koreans have negative reactions when the North Korean flag is mistakenly shown for them in sporting competitions? [2] Or how the North Korean flag has been used seemingly as an insult for South Korean athletes. [3] Maybe the burning of the flag in South Korea during anti-NK protests? Leave judgement of these up to you. I'll keep lightly brainstorming and let you know if I find something worth including.

seefooddiet (talk) 06:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Seefooddiet: All your suggestions and proposals (except the change from sfn) have been implemented. Anything else, change-wise? Yue🌙 20:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The Pringsheim and Merkel sources doesn't appear to be used; I would possibly either delete or move to Further reading section. Once you do this I can move to approval. seefooddiet (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Seefooddiet:  Done. Good catch; I put them in preemptively in my sandbox but forgot to take them out before moving to the main article. Yue🌙 21:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Nice work on the article! Approved. seefooddiet (talk) 21:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen talk 18:34, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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Flag of North Korea

• ... that after South Korea built a 98-metre (323-foot) flagpole flying the South Korean flag, North Korea erected an even taller one with the North Korean flag (pictured)?

• Source: Bonnett, Alastair (17 April 2014). Off the Map: Lost Spaces, Invisible Cities, Forgotten Islands, Feral Places and What They Tell Us About the World. Aurum. p. 104. ISBN 978-1-78131-267-4.

• ALT1: ... that the flag of North Korea (pictured) has been mistakenly used by a number of international organisations to represent South Korea? Source: Kim, So-hee (6 December 2023). 태극기 대신 北 인공기 표기한 유엔 기후정상회의 [UN Climate Summit Shows North Korean Flag Instead of Taegukgi]. Hankook Ilbo (in Korean). Retrieved 16 August 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/River

Improved to Good Article status by Yue (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.

Yue🌙 23:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article has passed GA and definitely meets the criteria; the previous nomination was rejected and thus does not affect eligibility. Hooks are both interesting and present in the article with citations, but I would put ALT1 ahead of ALT0 in terms of interest. If ALT0 is chosen, then it does need some tweaks to not repeat South Korea twice (perhaps changing the pipe to "their flag"?); also AGF on the source, which I cannot access. SounderBruce 01:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Imgur screenshot of the source for ALT0. Yue🌙 05:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that North Korea erected a 160-metre (525-foot) flagpole flying its national flag (pictured) in response to South Korea building a 98-metre (323-foot) flagpole with its national flag nearby?

Yue🌙 07:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)