Talk:February 2024 United States airstrikes in Iraq and Syria
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Jordanian involvement
edit@SpinnerLaserzthe2nd: I've undone your edit adding Jordan to the infobox. I have seen the WSJ article, it says that Jordan is "slated" to join the campaign. Not that it has joined. Jordan shouldn't be added until it has participated in the attack. Ecrusized (talk) 23:56, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- This was also in the Attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq, Jordan, and Syria (2023–present), this link was the reference. LuxembourgLover (talk) 04:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- If you read that link you will see that it says Jordan is "slated" to join the campaign. Which means it hasn't yet but plans to do so. Ecrusized (talk) 10:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Ecrusized:, SpinnerLaserzthe2nd, and LuxembourgLover, I just re-added Jordan with a note they deny involvement. Iraq government just halted Jordan oil trades over their involvement. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- @WeatherWriter: There is not a single reliable source which states that Jordan participated in the attack. A Twitter account called “OSINT Defender” is not a reliable source. Ecrusized (talk) 17:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- That OSINT Defender account had the exact Iraqi government thing saying Jordan participated. Feel free to replace that URL with the exact URL from the Iraqi government. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:42, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- The OSINT Defender X post reference has been removed for not being a reliable source. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:50, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- @WeatherWriter: The current reference:
- "Sanad, Mustafa Jabbar (3 February 2024). "Office of Representative Mustafa Jabbar Sanad". Republic of Iraq Council of Representatives. Council of Representatives of Iraq (91)."
- Does not cite anything. Also WSJ is an incorrect reference since it only says Jordan might join the strikes. The entire addition of Jordan based on a dubious allegation by Iraqi government is not Wiki worthy. Ecrusized (talk) 18:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- Saying it does not cite anything is not true. You called out that the English translation citation (OSINT defender) was not a reliable source, so I removed it and replaced it with the direct Arabic source. The fact you cannot read it (i.e. no URL) does not mean it isn’t citing anything. Same as a book reference. I would say it is wiki-worthy, since we also include mentions that Iran backs Houthi, despite both Iran and Houthi saying Iran does not back them and the US (and western world) says Iran backs them. Legit the exact same thing. In this instance, the Iraq government says Jordan participated. Whether they did or not is no longer relevant, since Jordan denies involvement. Removal of Jordan now means we should automatically remove references that say Iran backs Houthi, since it is the same principle and idea. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:38, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- "Legit the exact same thing". Not really. US officials are much more reliable than Iranian officials. At least on the English Wikipedia. Also your argument is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. "Iraq government says Jordan participated. Whether they did or not is no longer relevant" Not at all. Wikipedia does not cite unreliable accusation made by parties, even though it may seem that way on unreliable articles. Ecrusized (talk) 18:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- Saying it does not cite anything is not true. You called out that the English translation citation (OSINT defender) was not a reliable source, so I removed it and replaced it with the direct Arabic source. The fact you cannot read it (i.e. no URL) does not mean it isn’t citing anything. Same as a book reference. I would say it is wiki-worthy, since we also include mentions that Iran backs Houthi, despite both Iran and Houthi saying Iran does not back them and the US (and western world) says Iran backs them. Legit the exact same thing. In this instance, the Iraq government says Jordan participated. Whether they did or not is no longer relevant, since Jordan denies involvement. Removal of Jordan now means we should automatically remove references that say Iran backs Houthi, since it is the same principle and idea. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:38, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- @WeatherWriter: There is not a single reliable source which states that Jordan participated in the attack. A Twitter account called “OSINT Defender” is not a reliable source. Ecrusized (talk) 17:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Ecrusized:, SpinnerLaserzthe2nd, and LuxembourgLover, I just re-added Jordan with a note they deny involvement. Iraq government just halted Jordan oil trades over their involvement. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- If you read that link you will see that it says Jordan is "slated" to join the campaign. Which means it hasn't yet but plans to do so. Ecrusized (talk) 10:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
ARBPIA
editDoes WP:ARBPIA apply to this article, or no? 47.19.68.110 (talk) 18:32, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Contradiction
editThere is a contractions between this article and Kata'ib Hezbollah. In a recent reversion, this article was changed to say that Kata'ib Hezbollah is not a part of the Iranian armed forces. On the Kata'ib Hezbollah article, it states (with two citations), The group is directly subordinate to the Quds Force and operates under its instructions and guidance
. This contradiction needs to be corrected either on this article or on Kata'ib Hezbollah. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- @WeatherWriter: Being operated under under its (de facto) instructions and guidance, is not the same as being a de jure part of the Quds force. For an example, based on your argument, you could include Ukrainian Army as part of United States Armed Forces since they are instructed and guided by the US in their planning, etc. Ecrusized (talk) 18:46, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Infobox : F-15E and A-10C ?
editDo we have any sources on the use of F-15 and A-10 in this operation? L'amateur d'aéroplanes (talk) 18:40, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- I haven't seen it either, also the formatting is really weird. It's probably best to remove it. Ecrusized (talk) 19:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- A Washington Post article talks about possible Jordanian F-16s. But I haven't read any information on American tactical fighters on the French sites I frequent. But it is true that 7 sites for two bombers is really unusual. 21:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)L'amateur d'aéroplanes (talk)
Notes
editThe notes are as follows:
Syria: 29 on 2 February Iraq: 16-17 on 2 February 3 killed on 7 February
So that everything is uniform, you would either have to write "killed" everywhere or nowhere. Can someone change that? FreakyN (talk) 22:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Link "Abu Baqir Al-Saadi to his page
editSomeone should link him to his page I created: Abu Baqir Al-Saadi Jabbatheblack (talk) 20:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Result
editwhy does it say "United states victory"? The conflict hasnt ended yet 74.218.59.184 (talk) 13:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)