Talk:Features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe

Alphabetical order

@Sir Magnus and InfiniteNexus: Should we not list the different categories (e.g. 'suits', 'weapons', 'major events', 'locations') alphabetically as well? IronManCap (talk) 21:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think that's necessary. It think this order makes more sense to readers. Also, the reason why I ordered them like this in the first place was because Features of the Marvel Universe also doesn't order them alphabetically. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Real-life locations

@Sir Magnus and IronManCap: So I noticed that a couple of real-life events (namely World War II and the Cold War) have been added to the 'Major Events' section, but while I'm kind of okay with that, I'm not so sure about adding real-world locations (such as the Leipzig/Halle Airport). If we're adding real-life locations, do we also add frequently visited places (such as New York City, Washington, D.C., Lagos, etc.) or organizations (FBI, CIA, etc.) as well? How far do we go? InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: For some reason I didn’t get this ping. Anyway, you have a point, I’ll remove Leipzig airport then. I would also question whether we really need a description for 'Earth' as well. IronManCap (talk) 18:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I think New York and Washington DC might be notable for inclusion though. IronManCap (talk) 18:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

This should be for things specific to Marvel and the MCU. Having real-life events and places here is unnecessarily cluttering the article. —El Millo (talk) 20:38, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: We're not adding real places, although real events such as WWII and the Cold War have actual influence in the MCU, so are included. The descriptors for those events only have MCU-specific details, e.g. events like WWI aren’t included as they aren’t notable in the MCU. IronManCap (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Article length

@Sir Magnus and InfiniteNexus: This article may be getting too long. Should we split up the different sections (e.g. Locations, objects, major events, organisations) into different pages? Or maybe we could merge the organisations sections with the 'major teams and factions' article and rename it 'major teams and organisations'? IronManCap (talk) 17:38, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@IronManCap: I have been thinking about this as well. Splitting this article sounds good to me. Merging the "organizations" section with Major teams and factions of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is also a good idea. Ideally, I would merge the "major events" section with Draft:Marvel Cinematic Universe Timeline, but that draft article is still ... very much under construction. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: I'm going to merge the organisations with the major teams and factions page then, since it makes sense. I think 'locations' and 'objects' make sense to go together as 'features'. There is a page for Major events of the Marvel Universe, albeit with a slightly different name, so I think we should split that off, but I don't think we really need to make use of the 'timeline' draft, since there is no real comics equivalent. We could even add an event per film if we split it off. IronManCap (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus and Sir Magnus: I have merged the finished organizations with 'Major teams and factions'. The unfinished ones remain here to finish off and transfer over there. IronManCap (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Tense

@InfiniteNexus and Sir Magnus: Should we not use present tense throughout per WP:UNIVERSE? IronManCap (talk) 15:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

We should, except for things that have been destroyed (Asgard, Redwing) or no longer active (J.A.R.V.I.S., Project Pegasus). InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Publishing

@InfiniteNexus and Sir Magnus: Can we say this is ready for mainspace? IronManCap (talk) 18:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

New format?

​​Now that the 'Minor characters' section in Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is being reformatted into a bulleted list, should we do the same for this article? I was going to wait for a solid consensus at Talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe#Huge amounts of in-universe information / fan cruft creeping into this topic, but that discussion seems to have been stalled for some reason. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:26, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Wow, I didn't know you could do a hidden ping. To reduce much of the cruft, which is the main concern with this article, maybe we could keep sections for more notable ones, and have an 'others' section for each category with bullet points for minor ones, as there is still some good sourced info worth keeping / adding in prose form. IronManCap (talk) 16:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I have created a bulleted concept of the "Earth" section of this article in my sandbox here, but I'm not sure whether I like it or not. On one hand it reduces the section's size, but on the other hand it looks a bit cluttered. What do you guys think? InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:09, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

It looks pretty good to me, and I don't think it is particularly cluttered. IronManCap (talk) 00:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Does anyone oppose to the new bulleted format seen here? If not, we can go ahead and implement it (along with the rest of the article). InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I'd say that looks like a good format for the whole of this article. No objections. IronManCap (talk) 12:44, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:13, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

​Should we keep the list of appearances at the end of each entry? Are they too WP:FANCRUFTy? InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

It'd probably be better to remove them. —El Millo (talk) 06:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd go for removing them tbh, they're a bit trivial and focus on minutia like whether someone wore his suit in a certain movie. IronManCap (talk) 12:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done! InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

"E.D.I.T.H" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Needs split or cleanup

This article needs to be further split up, or cleaned up more. As currently written, this article seems to be a catch-all for "things" in the MCU, as it describes locations, vehicles, artifacts, "projects", creatures, etc. Locations can be split off into its own article, and maybe some of the objects or creatures can also be split off. Natg 19 (talk) 01:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, are all of these items notable? Can we remove some of the things that are non-notable or are just mentioned once? (e.g. Dum-E, Abilisk, Jericho missile, etc) This article is a sprawling list of items, some of which are referenced, but seems to just be a dumping ground of trivia. Natg 19 (talk) 01:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I think most MCU editors are against the creation of any more of these "in-universe" lists following the Great Crackdown on Fancruft. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

As for your second comment, many of the non-notable entries / trivial fancruft have already been trimmed out or moved to my sandbox, but I do agree that more minor entries can be removed (especially the ones with no real-world sourcing). InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:55, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Iman Vellani on Earth-616

Is her disagreement worth mentioning? Kailash29792 (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I did see this the other day, but she's a cast member. With all due respect, her opinion isn't relevant or notable. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

And now it's gained further attention. Kailash29792 (talk) 01:32, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Maybe we could add some of this to Draft:Multiverse (Marvel Cinematic Universe) § Reception. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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InfiniteNexus (talk) 08:15, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

In 2023, the Avengers also use the realm to travel to the past to reverse the Blip.

It's not the Blip they want to reverse. It's the Snap they are hoping to reverse. The Blip is the result of them successfully reversing the Snap. 72.199.197.140 (talk) 00:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Propose Split

This article/list is exhaustively long and should be split into the following,

• Locations in the Marvel Cinematic Universe
• Objects in the Marvel Cinematic Universe
• Major events of the Marvel Cinematic Universe

While the current page Features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe can be used as a list of lists dab page. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 04:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as proposed: We should not be splitting this list up any further in this regard as this is reaching far into WP:FANCRUFT territory for content that is largely unsourced or does not have real-world significance or notability. The whole "Major events" list was initially made in an attempt to counteract this but did not work out and was subsequently merged back into this one, so we should not reverse that consensus.

Rather, I believe a new system for what content we list ought to be employed. For instance, we could only list locations that have had a significant appearance in the media they appear in and/or have appeared in a recurring capacity (not just once, unless more relevant to the franchise overall). The same can apply to other objects, species, etc. I would say we can cut out the "Terms and phrases" and remove other content that is not of major significance (such as Steve Roger's book, Thor's prosthetic eye, etc.) I also don't think we need to note all of the "Creatures" here, either. In all honesty, many of the entries in this list could just benefit from some trimming, formatting adjustments, and adequate sourcing. I will note that I am still not in favor of the separate "Species of the Marvel Cinematic Universe" list and I think that could be trimmed into prose along with any relevant "Creatures" entries here if need be. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Agree... We also have Teams and organizations of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree with your point of a new and common system being implemented in these types of pages. Littlesquirrell (talk) 12:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support as proposed, for the primary reason that "locations" are conceptually very different from objects. You can talk about locations in terms of the means of travel and time of travel that it takes to get from one to another, whereas objects are generally merely portable things. BD2412 T 03:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  My concern with this is the WP:NOTABILITY (which does apply to lists), as I do not believe many of these entires have enough independent reliable coverage to warrant many of these lists, which veer into WP:FANCRUFT territory far too often. Wikipedia is not a WP:TVGUIDE, so having a list of these fictional elements just to have a list for them is not the way to go unless we can prove there is a need for them to have separate ones. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• No comment on this proposal specifically, but I will note that the previous consensus was overwhelmingly against the creation of further lists of in-universe elements, through splitting or otherwise. Teams and Species were both split from Characters and drew the ire of several editors who were unaware of their existence. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, per @Trailblazer101. Littlesquirrell (talk) 12:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: This list should be cleaned up and downsized before any splits are undertaken. Additionally, the same notability concerns already apply here. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

S.H.I.E.L.D. facilities

@Gonnym: I converted the level 4 subheading into a bulleted entry because the other sections under § Locations do not have a level 4 subheading, so this is inconsistent/"random". I removed some of the entries because they are not notable; there is longstanding consensus on this page and others (Characters, Teams, Species) to limit ourselves to notable entries to avoid clutter (WP:LISTCRUFT) and excessive WP:FANCRUFT. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Considering the entries of SHIELD have usually more screen time than any of the other items on the list, I fail to see how these are the clutter. Regarding the heading, level 4 headers are perfectly fine. Gonnym (talk) 20:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

And you believe a bulleted format is not "fine"? What are your specific objections? If it's just my removal of the entries, I'm fine with restoring them while keeping the bullets. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I think bullets lists are good as long as they are short and contained. When the list is too long, finding stuff that you aren't searching for becomes harder for no real reason. Sub-headers, are a way to break sections into more manageable reading parts, they also provide for ToC entries. This way, a reader can look at the ToC and see a section about SHIELD and decide to click it and read that part, without needing to read over the whole list. Gonnym (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd also not object for other parts of the "Earth" sections to be broken up into level 4 headers and grouped by the same sub-topic. Gonnym (talk) 21:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

That's fine, as long as we're being consistent. Right now, there an odd one out. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)