Talk:Everett Railroad 11

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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Everett Railroad 11 when it served the Narragansett Pier Railroad in 1934

• ... that Everett Railroad 11 was originally built for export to Cuba, but due to economical challenges in that country, it remained in the United States?

• Source: "Preservation - Everett joins the steam ranks". Trains. Vol. 75, no. 11. Kalmbach Media. November 2015. p. 92. Retrieved November 30, 2024.

• Reviewed:

Created by Someone who likes train writing (talk) and Trainsandotherthings (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Someone who likes train writing (talk) 15:25, 30 November 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - I think this article has the potential to yield more-interesting hooks. For example, the fact that the Narragansett Pier Railroad had to purchase a used locomotive in 1930 because of No. 11's maintenance issues, despite No. 11 being brand-new.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Someone who likes train writing and Trainsandotherthings: Nice work on this article. The hook is mildly interesting, although I was wondering if you could propose other hooks as well. Otherwise, I did not see any other issues with this nomination. Epicgenius (talk) 23:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment In that case, how is this hook?:

• ALT1 ... that from 1926 to 1930, Everett Railroad 11 (pictured) was the only locomotive to be owned by the Narragansett Pier Railroad, which, despite No. 11 being brand new, made maintenance on it so unbearable that the railroad was forced to purchase a second locomotive for assistance?
• Source: Henwood, James N.J. (1969). A Short Haul to the Bay: A History of the Narragansett Pier Railroad. Brattleboro, Vermont: The Stephen Greene Press. pp. 36, 45. ISBN 08289-0101-5.. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 00:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I like the idea behind the hook. However, it is far too long, at 267 characters; per WP:DYK200 the absolute maximum length for hooks is 200 characters, so this needs to be significantly shortened. Epicgenius (talk) 00:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment Is this better?:

• • • ALT2 ... that for four years, Everett Railroad 11 (pictured) was the only locomotive to be owned by the Narragansett Pier Railroad, but it resulted in insufficient maintenance on No. 11, despite it being relatively new?
    • Source: Henwood, James N.J. (1969). A Short Haul to the Bay: A History of the Narragansett Pier Railroad. Brattleboro, Vermont: The Stephen Greene Press. pp. 36, 45. ISBN 08289-0101-5.. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 01:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Unfortunately, that hook now implies that it was the only locomotive to be owned by any railroad. I think it would be better to mention the railroad's name directly. In the meantime, I've reached out to TAOT for hook ideas as well. Epicgenius (talk) 02:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment I counted this one. It has less than 200 characters total.:

• • • • ALT3 ... that Everett Railroad 11 (pictured) was once the only locomotive to be owned by the Narragansett Pier Railroad, making maintenance on it deficient, despite No. 11 being relatively new?
      • Source: Henwood, James N.J. (1969). A Short Haul to the Bay: A History of the Narragansett Pier Railroad. Brattleboro, Vermont: The Stephen Greene Press. pp. 36, 45. ISBN 08289-0101-5.. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 17:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
        • I think this can be polished further. So something like this:
        • ALT3A ... that Everett Railroad 11 (pictured), once the only locomotive to be owned by the Narragansett Pier Railroad, was poorly maintained despite being relatively new? Epicgenius (talk) 02:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
        • I can accept the ALT3A version. If that’s interesting enough to make it to the DYK column at a short length, so be it. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 06:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

How about something related to the locomotive being unable to navigate the curves when it arrived and needing modification? Or mention of how the locomotive was retired, returned to service after 5 years, retired again, returned to the Narragansett Pier Railroad, went elsewhere and sat in a roundhouse for decades, and was then brought back to service again. Perhaps that the locomotive has run in Rhode Island, New York, and Pennsylvania for different railroads? Or simply that it was identified for restoration after spending 20 years in a roundhouse? I think we can come up with something better than the current hooks. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment How is this one? I can’t think of anything else interesting at a short length.:

• ALT4 ... that Everett Railroad 11 (pictured) was modified with blind middle driving wheels without flanges, after it met a sharp curve on the Narragansett Pier Railroad?
• Source: Henwood, James N.J. (1969). A Short Haul to the Bay: A History of the Narragansett Pier Railroad. Brattleboro, Vermont: The Stephen Greene Press. p. 36. ISBN 08289-0101-5.. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 03:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Respectfully, I don't think most people are going to find this interesting. I would cut this down to something like what TAOT suggested, e.g.:
    • ALT5 ... that Everett Railroad 11 (pictured) had to be modified after it met a sharp curve on its first trip?
  • However, someone else would have to approve this alternate hook. Epicgenius (talk) 00:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
    • I think that’s much better than the way I would word it. I can ask the same user who approved the Texas and Pacific 610 DYK nomination for an opinion on this. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 00:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Will read this over and comment on the hooks by tomorrow. I might not have time tonight. Flibirigit (talk) 01:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I have struck ALT1 for being over the 200-character limit. I have struck ALT2, ALT3, and ALT4 as per comments listed in this review. Flibirigit (talk) 17:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

ALT0 is somewhat interesting, mentioned in the article, adequately cited, and I will AGF on the sources. ALT3a needs a bit of work. The terms "poorly maintained" and "relatively new" are subjective, and differ in wording from the article. I suggest a more similar or less subject wording, and ensure that the corresponding sentence in the article has a citation at its end to support the hook. ALT5 is interesting, mentioned in the article, but cannot be verified since each sentence which supports the aspects of the hook do not have citations. Flibirigit (talk) 18:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I just fixed the citation issues you mentioned to at least make sure ALT5 qualifies. I can’t think of any alternative words to fix ALT3a at the moment. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 18:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Approving ALT0 and ALT5. Both are interesting, mentioned in the article, and properly cited. I have assumed good faith on the sources, and the rest of the DYK review as per User:Epicgenius. I am willing to revisit this nomination if other hooks are proposed. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 18:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)