Talk:Engineering College (English specialist school)

College of Engineering

See also: College of Engineering. H Padleckas (talk) 10:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

List?

Is the "List of specialist Engineering colleges" beneficial to the article as is? RJFJR (talk) 17:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Merge

I disagree with the proposal to merge the two articles. As it currently stands Engineering college and Engineering College, which currently redirects here, primarily focus on the term as used in relation to English specialist schools, whereas College of Engineering focuses on the more traditional use of the term. Merging the two articles would cause confusion and create an unwieldy article. - Scribble Monkey (talk) 14:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I disagree too for the merging. With the argument of Scribble Monkey. Besides the the topic of Engineering College mainly discuss the specialized institutions of engineering.

Bonvallite (talk) 03:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I notice that the short introductory sections of both articles, Engineering college and College of Engineering, read practically the same, and I suspect both were written with Colleges of Engineering in India in mind. Beyond that short introductory section, both articles are lists. Being familiar with U.S. Colleges of Engineering in mind, I take exception to the statement that little basic science (pure science) is covered in engineering colleges. Besides at least two years of math, which includes single and multi-variable calculus and differential equations, at least one course in computer science and a year of general chemistry and about a year and a half of general and modern physics are covered in the typical engineering B.S. core curriculum in engineering colleges in the U.S. This is in addition to any science requirements for specific majors, such as a year each of organic and physical chemistry for chemical engineering majors. Besides that, engineering is basically science, although it's supposed to be applied science, and more science is covered in the engineering core courses themselves, such as material science, statics and dynamics, strength of materials, thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, and heat transfer. H Padleckas (talk) 22:34, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I've decided I'm going to do this with this article Engineering college: Since this article beyond its introduction, which is very similar to the introduction in College of Engineering, is essentially about Engineering colleges at English specialist schools, I plan to move Engineering college to Engineering college at English specialist school (along with its Talk page) and eliminate the present introduction. The College of Engineering will continue where it is, covering university/college level education in engineering as it is now, and of course the list of colleges/schools will be kept there. I'm awaiting any feedback until I make this Move. Then, I plan to eliminate the WikiProject India banner from this moved Talk page, and remove anything to do with India in the newly moved article and its Talk page.
H Padleckas (talk) 22:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree, although suggest that the new article is called Engineering College (English specialist school). - Scribble Monkey (talk) 09:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the decision to merge and also to rename the article as ScribbleMonkey has suggested. An engineering college is a category of specialist school not one component of a specialist school. Dahliarose (talk) 10:20, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

After the move, we should probably redirect Engineering college to College of Engineering, and carefully check every older incoming link to point it to Engineering College (English specialist school) as and if required.

Another possibility instead of moving would be to just split everything except the lead into Engineering College (English specialist school); then merge the lead into College of Engineering and redirect this to College of Engineering.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 16:31, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Alternatively, Engineering college could become a disambiguation page. - Scribble Monkey (talk) 12:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Or just use a hatnote on College of Engineering? I don't know how popular the usage of the term "engineering college" is for referring to english specialist schools, but I doubt that it will be enough to justify a dab.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 20:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Engineering college is the normal terminology for English schools. If the term is not used elsewhere can we not simply retain the English specialist school stuff on this page and move the Indian stuff to College of Engineering? Dahliarose (talk) 22:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree. This page was originally set up 5 years ago for English specialist schools, but there have been several attempts since then to remove mention of that usage in favour of, primarily Indian, Colleges of Engineering. This page should keep its original usage and contain a hatnote to College of Engineering and vice versa. - 23:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Conclusion - Thank you for your input, WikiUsers. Based on the preceding discussion, I have moved this former Engineering college to Engineering College (English specialist school) along with its Talk page (this one). I removed the introductory section as discussed, since that material is already covered in the College of Engineering article intro. I made Engineering college at English specialist school a Redirect to Engineering College (English specialist school).-->deleted. It was correct to move the Wikipedia:WikiProject India banner out of here. There is still some more work to do to clean up after this move.-->done
H Padleckas (talk) 05:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Continuing work on this, I put a "hatnote" (like a short header) at the top of the College of Engineering article that says "This article is about university level Colleges of Engineering. For Engineering colleges at English specialist schools, see Engineering College (English specialist school)." I did this because I thought that most of the time readers looking for College of Engineering or Engineering college are interested in the various university level Colleges of Engineering throughout the world - more likely than the Engineering Specialist [high] schools in just England. This action was suggested by Siddhartha Ghai in a preceding remark about a hatnote. I then made Engineering college a Redirect to College of Engineering, and did a corresponding thing to its Talk page. Then, Scribble Monkey removed the WikiProject Universities banner from this Talk page, which is fine with me because these Specialist schools are high schools. What is left to do here now is to put a "reverse" hatnote at the top of this article, as suggested by the preceding unsigned "vice versa" comment.-->done. I will then be done with this Engineering College (English specialist school) article and someday plan to work on the College of Engineering article. Any comments I have on that I will leave on Talk:College of Engineering. H Padleckas (talk) 14:50, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

There is also the not insignificant task of redirecting all English engineering specialist schools to this article instead of Engineering college. - Scribble Monkey (talk) 15:10, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Done. - Scribble Monkey (talk)

Update - The "reverse" hatnote previously mentioned linking to College of Engineering as an alternative topic has been placed at the top of this article. The Redirect page Engineering college at English specialist school has recently been deleted. I went through the list of schools in this article and saw at this time they were all in England. This and the redirecting of all applicable links throughout Wikipedia to this article largely finishes up work on the Move of this article to Engineering College (English specialist school). Now like I said, I plan to do some work on College of Engineering in the future, which I would likely discuss on that article's Talk page. H Padleckas (talk) 09:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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