Talk:Emmanuel Goldstein

Emma Goldman

It seems obvious to me that at the very least Emmanuel Goldstein's name was inspired by Emma Goldman, if not the character as whole, but I can't find anything that would make for a good citation to this effect, and I don't want to add original research. Does anybody know of anything? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The axel (talk • contribs) 21:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Osama Bin Laden

I think that a more current parallel example of a bogeyman that all corrupt regimes rely on might be Osama Bins Laden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.78.108 (talk) 14:37, 24 April 2006‎

Goldstein is a bogeyman, but I don't think that there is any comparison with Bin Laden. More importantly it makes little sense to compare a modern figure with the much earlier book character.122.59.167.152 (talk) 07:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

There is NO correlation between OBL and Emmanuel Goldstein. This straw-man connection has found its way from 9-11 conspiracy theorists and extreme libertarians There are few if any publicly available links that make this kind of correlation, none of which would provide support to this kind of conclusion.

This is a clear example why Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source. No more than two seconds after deleting this kind of tripe a reversion back to error occurs.

Israel as bogeyman in Arab dictatorships

Another example. Cf. archived thread on antisemitism. Consider how dictatorships in general exploit antisemitism by making their Enemy Of The People someone or something Jewish. Hence giving a Jewish name to the Goldstein character.62.190.148.115 (talk) 15:34, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Are you suggesting a change to the article? If there is a notable work(s) comparing the scapegoating of Israel in Arab countries to The Party's use of Emmanuel Goldstein to justify abuse of its people, then by all means, present it here so its inclusion can be discussed. WP Ludicer (talk) 01:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton

I don't understand the reference to Hillary Clinton as a subject of hate or parallel to Goldstein. Surely Trump must be much more of a parallel, given the ludicrous extent of the vitriol against him, even when he does things previously favored by the same people who now criticize him. At the very least, Hillary Clinton should not be chosen as a modern parallel without offering competing examples. Doing so makes this article biased.136.26.24.199 (talk) 00:16, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Donald Trump

I think the time has come to add Donald Trump to the list of real-life analogs to Emmanuel Goldstein. Hatred of him and allegations that he's a racist, fascist, insurrectionist, etc. have served as "justification" for riots and destruction of small businesses by BLM and Antifa; aggressive censorship and anti-competitive behavior by the Big Tech cartel; harassment and mob violence against a number of GOP elected officials and Trump cabinet members; employment discrimination and refusal of access to public accommodations; false accusations and wrongful arrests; wrongful expulsions from universities; numerous death threats and other acts of cyberbullying; and exclusion from financial services aimed at the ultimate goal of civil death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.6.192.37 (talk) 04:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

You can add it here but don't expect it to last long. We at Wikipedia try to be as unbiased as possible.

If you believe we suffer from a Liberal bias, go to Conservapedia or Uncyclopedia to voice your criticism there. JTE727 (talk) 16:37, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

And yet HRC is? Personally both are, failure to accept or reject both is demonstrates a huge lack of partiality. 200.119.185.147 (talk) 05:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thoughtcrime! 208.68.128.91 (talk) 15:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

It's not the thought police – no one is telling you you can't try to change the article, or torturing you until you love Barack Obama or George Soros or whatever. It's not bias. It's a lack of sources. To put it another way: cite up or shut up. WP Ludicer (talk) 01:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)