Talk:Ecological economics

Externalities Major Change

This section was highly misleading and might still need changes. The Fred Pierce reference does not seem to fit here, nor the discounting topic to which it refers. Neither pierce nor Hawkins in next paragraph are noted ecological economists so why are they here? Giving the benefit of the doubt I left them in but tried to place the existing text into some context of the actual page which is meant to be about ecological economics. This has been referenced in terms of some better know people. The point here is that externality theory is from orthodox environmental economics and is criticized by ecological economics. The previous version made it seem like there was no different and that Joan Martinez-Alier would support Hawkins endorsement of externality theory and a new capitalism! Thinksome (talk) 20:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

History and development

The first paragraph was inconsistent with the second. This cited 1960s as the earliest discussion of ecology and economics while the second then cited even earlier work! I have corrected the text to remove this error. In addition I added another reference about the first meeting and stated who organized it. I removed the remark about the people listed being later influential as several have totally disappeared from the field!! I think mentioning the names is enough without making such claims.Thinksome (talk) 21:31, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Ecological footprints need to be mentioned here, because they are now becoming a defacto standard way to measure economic impact on the biosphere. The definition ecological footprint by Mathis Wackernagel is now widely accepted. I plan to add it to history and development soon. TheKevlar 00:25, 17 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkevlar (talk • contribs)

Link or Describe "positional analysis or multi-criteria analysis"

The section on "Ethics" mentions "positional analysis or multi-criteria analysis". I am not familiar with these concepts and they are not Wikilinked. These need clarification to make the article more accessible. Thanks! --Lbeaumont (talk) 12:59, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Weak sustainability used to redirect to Ecological economics#Strong versus weak sustainability

I've redirected Weak sustainability to Weak and strong sustainability. Just noting that it used to link to the a section about this topic. Cf.: [1]174.3.125.23 (talk) 08:03, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

I've added a { { main | link } } main article link under that sections heading, also adding link back to this link from that article. Jonpatterns (talk) 09:27, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Sustainable development

Added lede part to sustainable development, here. Prokaryotes (talk) 14:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Why the Infinite-Earth supply and demand diagram?

Why the orthodox Infinite-Earth diagram labeled: "A supply and demand diagram, illustrating the effects of an increase in demand?" Right at the top of our article. How quaint. True in orthodox economics, when demand goes up, 1) price goes up, 2) supply goes up.   But for both 1) & 2), not necessarily on a (depleting) finite Earth.

(Since price is relative, if demand for all things go up equally (as economic forces will tend,) prices will not change. (Sound familiar?) Those curves only work for local, therefore temporary scarcity, not universal scarcity.) How ironic! Perhaps we could create some stock out of nothing! Cheers!
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Reviewer: David Eppstein (talk · contribs) 01:07, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

The article as nominated has a "citation needed" tag dating from 2009, a cleanup banner in the external links section dating from 2012, and a reference tagged as a permanent dead link in early 2018. As such it meets the WP:GACR speedy fail criterion #3, "It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid." In the "Nature and ecology" section, a potentially contentious paragraph on global warming is entirely unsourced, as is another paragraph in "Differentiation from mainstream schools", three in "Methodology", three in "Weak versus strong sustainability", etc. The article contains external links in inline text in violation of MOS. In addition the nominator appears never to have edited the nominated article. Please make sure all tagged issues are cleaned up before any GA nominations, and refrain from drive-by nominations that do not put any effort into getting the article ready for GA review prior to the nomination. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:07, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Fringe?

I wouldn't even say that WP:FRINGE applies to heterodox schools of economic thought, since they are already clearly labelled as heterodox, and anyway, economics as a social science doesn't provide clear and testable conclusions the way, e.g. physics, chemistry, or even medicine does.

I would argue that the position of ecological economics (and heterodox schools in general) with respect to orthodox approaches is more similar to the position of string theory or supersymmetric theories with respect to mainstream physics than, e.g. homeopathy with respect to modern medicine. TucanHolmes (talk) 16:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Compare Wikipedia:Fringe theories § Alternative theoretical formulations. TucanHolmes (talk) 16:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Closed Limelike Curves: Your reason for reverting my revert, "Ecological econ is rejected both by mainstream economics and by physicists as a field, and article does not adequately explain these arguments" lacks the necessary details to discuss its validity, or make changes to the article based on it.

Please provide some context (preferably citations) for your broad and sweeping assertions; otherwise I will remove the header, per WP:BURDEN and Hitchen's razor.

Since I doubt that WP:FRINGE even applies to heterodox schools of economic thought (and from a quick check, cf. Austrian school of economics doesn't get the fringe treatment), I would argue that, on the contrary, WP:EXTRAORDINARY applies to claims that ecological economics is fringe. TucanHolmes (talk) 16:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)