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Latest comment: 4 months ago6 comments3 people in discussion
It is extremely odd that the lawsuit is not in the lead for this article especially when considering there's a whole paragraph dedicated to the lawsuit in Kesha's lead for her article. This raises questions over bias and suppression as to who wrote this, the discrepancy is even more odd when considering that Kesha is far more notable than Dr Luke and yet his article is the one that does not mention the lawsuit in the lead. This clearly needs to be fixed ASAP. What do others think? Jasp7676 (talk) 11:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have removed it for now because this is worthy of discussion being that this is a biography. I was wondering if it was suitable for the lead since it was a lawsuit that was settled. If there is an agreement that it should be in the lead, then it needs to read from a neutral point of view which it currently doesn't. It says a lot about what the accusations of the lawsuit were, but then a single line that it was settled. This gives the appearance that he actually did what he was accused of. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but it is all about the sourcing and how much weight is given to it. I have pasted the wording below that you included.
Removed Wording - "In 2014, Gottwald became involved in a public legal dispute with Kesha. A series of lawsuits, known collectively as Kesha v. Dr. Luke, were exchanged between the two parties in which Kesha accused him of physical, sexual, and emotional abuse and employment discrimination against her, while Dr. Luke claimed breach of contract and defamation. The case was settled out of court in June 2023."
Proposed Wording - If we can agree that it belongs in the introductory of the article, then it should read something more like: "Gottwald was involved in a lawsuit with Kesha which was settled out of court in 2023."
I am open to other wording but we would first need to decide if it belongs. I am not sure that it does given it was settled out of court. I would like to hear other's opinions. --RTotzke (talk) 00:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes I understand what you mean it does read slightly biased, I didn't actually write that myself, I just directly copied it from Kesha's article, editing the first sentence slightly. It's also in her introductory bit as well if you would like to check. In terms of your first point I really do think it should be in his lead simply because it was an extremely public case, and I don't necessarily agree with your proposal for it to only be one sentence. I am by no means an expert on either Kesha or Gottwald but the notability of the case definitely warrants it being in the lead in my opinion.
Proposal 2 - In 2014 Gottwald was involved in a legal dispute with Kesha where she alleged abuse and employment discrimination, whilst he claimed a breach of contract and defamation. The case was settled out of court in June 2023. Jasp7676 (talk) 15:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Someone not having thoughts is not really consensus but I have not been here in a while so I understand you adding the information. I did some re-wording as the case was settled and it read as if she was the only one suing and putting the named allegations could lead a reader to believe he committed those offenses despite it being settled. I would be find with the current wording.
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 12:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)