Talk:Donetsk/Archive 1

Archive 1

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This page could benefit from translation from the German: de:Donezk Jdavidb 18:14, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I took the important stuff from the German page and added it here. I added in the twin cities based on other Wiki city sites and from other language Wikis. Olessi 02:47, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

vandalism

On May 5, 2005 at 15: 30 pm page was vandalized by 216.113.225.201

Yanukovych info pushing

I removed the following (or similar) passage(s) from not only Donets'k, but also from other Donbas pages:

During the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election, the citizens of Donetsk overwhelmingly supported Viktor Yanukovych instead of his rival Viktor Yushchenko.

The reasons are:

• In this particular article, the passage was placed in the "Ethnopolitics" section with no evident connection to the section subject. WP rules say "Establish context".
• I believe such passages are highly irrelevant to any city/oblast page, even if layed down correctly. Firstly, they belong to the elections and politics pages. Secondly, we already have some generalization pages to describe the real subject of them in an academic way. Thirdly, Donbas and its cities have millions of population and two centuries of history. Now who thinks the Yanukovych (and Yushchenko) are the top figures of that history :) ?

Best wishes, Ukrained 19:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

4th largest?

About number and composition population of UKRAINE by All-Ukrainian Population Census'2001 data: Kyiv 2611 Kharkiv 1470 Dnipropetrovs'k 1065 Odesa 1029 Donets'k 1016

Those statistics are cited in the Odessa article which claims, in contrast to this article, that Odessa not Donetsk is the fourth largest Ukrainan city. I will go ahead and edit.--Warfvinge 12:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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Featured Article?

Any info on if this article can become a featured article candidate in the near future? Bogdan 01:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It would be good to have the article featured, but it still needs a lot of work: more history, sports, referencing, intro.. But it is better than it was when it was passed as Good article. —dima/talk/ 02:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

çorlu ikinci el eşya

Banyo akseauarları

savcı maaşları Mehet332 (talk) 09:44, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

savcı maaşları 2022 Mehet332 (talk) 09:45, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Donetsk rocks!!!

I came from there :-P. M.V.E.i. 09:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.

• Bullet-points should be avoided when possible.
• The "famous person" section should be cited and made into prose.
• "A famous preserved building", "famous pole vault athlete", "Donetsk is a well-known educational location" - famous and well-known are peacock terms
• Em dashes should be unspaced.
• Please provide citations for these statements:
  • "The city also contains a total of 125 slag heaps."
  • "In the beginning of World War II, the population of Stalino consisted of 507,000, and after the war - only 175,000. The Nazi invasion during World War II almost completely destroyed the city"
  • "For every killed Nazi soldier, 100 inhabitants were killed, and for every killed policeman, one inhabitant was killed."
  • "In 1970, Donetsk was recognized by UNESCO as the cleanest industrial town of the world. Donesk was granted the Order of Lenin in 1979."
  • "Residents of the city tend to be more pro-Russian in their political beliefs. This has been massively exploited during 2004 presidential election, in which the city mostly voted for candidate Viktor Yanukovych, which had been announced as the winner of the election by the Central Election Commission. The vote was later proven to have been falsified, with many of the falsified votes coming from the surrounding region."
  • "The largest religious body with the most members is the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)."
  • "taxicab service, of which there are 32 in Donetsk."
  • "The whole airport complex was finished in 1973."
  • "Directly under the city lie coal mines, which have recently seen an increase in mining accidents."

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As little progress has been made in the past two weeks, I'm afraid I've had to delist the article. Epbr123 09:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Minor fixes

The lead says "Donetsk...is the large city in Eastern Ukraine...". Could someone change that to "Donetsk...is a large city in eastern Ukraine..."? ("a" instead of "the", lower case "e" , "eastern".) Thanks--92.40.170.60 (talk) 09:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Stalino was named not after Stalin

How is that possible? There is no way it would be named Stalino for reasons other than the main ENEMY OF SOVIET UNION. That is just too clear of a cut and explicit to try confuse people with some non-existant theories. There is no way to call the town this way after its steel industry. Russian language is not as rigid as English to fall for this confusion. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

climate

Is that accurate? I see the source, but on temperature maps I have, it appears that the July average high temp is significantly higher than 77F... guess based on the map and data from nearby cities suggests somewhere between 81-85F for a July high. Not a huge difference, but I wonder about alternative data sources. Prospect 2000 (talk) 05:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Names and transliterations

I made an effort to sort out the various spellings and their respective transliterations, but was reverted with an absolutely meaningless explanation (what on God's green Earth is "muddle" supposed to mean?). I don't want to start a revert war, so could someone please explain to me the logic behind having the Ukrainian transliteration for the Russian spelling and vice versa? Thanks. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 00:47, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I think that what Toddy was objecting to was not fixing the transliterations, but the fact that the most common name in English for this city is the Russian version, so the article is named that and the Russian version should be on top in the template. Since the majority of the citizens of Donetsk speak Russian, the Russian version should take priority in this case. (This is not true of the majority of Ukrainian cities, of course.) I fixed the transliterations and kept the Russian version on top since that one matches the name of the article. --Taivo (talk) 01:19, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Thank you for clarifying. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Statue of of Artem (Fyodor Sergeyev)

Artem (Fyodor Sergeyev) was not an adopted son of Stalin. Actually, the only son of Fyodor Sergeyev -- Artyom Sergeyev -- was adopted of Stalin after his father (Fyodor Sergeyev) has died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.89.14.196 (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Russian variants do no require citation

Standard Wikipedia practice in eastern Ukrainian, where as many as half of the population speaks Russian natively, is to include the Russian variants on placenames. No citation is necessary any more than a citation is necessary for placing the Ukrainian variant in placenames where the majority of the community speaks Russian as their first language (as in the Crimea). The citation tags were nothing more than WP:POINTy editing by an anonymous editor who is pushing an anti-Russian Ukrainian POV. Citations are not necessary for these things. --Taivo (talk) 02:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Who made it up "Russian variants do no require citation", Tavio? Russia is not Ukraine! Russian language is not official in Ukraine! The regionals languages in Ukraine don't count.--68.38.122.179 (talk) 23:56, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

You clearly don't know anything about either language use in Ukraine or Wikipedia policy. In eastern Ukraine, Russian language variants are more commonly used than Ukrainian variants and Wikipedia is not bound to any government's political dictates. --Taivo (talk) 01:02, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Rubbish. Russian is an official language in Donbass, Crimea, and many other areas in Ukraine, and that means at least as much as the official state language. In those areas most of the population doesn't even know Ukrainian. Who are you to decide which variant/language is ok, and which one "don't count"? 2.124.24.195 (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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some sources[which?] state that the city was briefly called Trotsk

The author may add reference: Information given by Sofia Alexandrovna Gitis (Софья Александровна Гитис), the Press secretary of the Donetsk Regional Museum of Local History (Донецкий краеведческий музей) contained in the local newspaper "Donetsk news" (Донецкие новости), 2007, No 27, the article "The Birth of the Donets Basin" (Рождение Донбасса). See, e.g., http://infodon.org.ua/uzovka/141 (Russian language.) V.Grekov (talk) 18:09, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

economic costs for pollution cleanup

Pollution is also not mentioned in this article, and yet cleanup costs will be enormous.

G. Robert Shiplett 15:04, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

One-day "Republic" in the introduction

Shall the introduction mention the 7th March protests? It is that important to the overall knowledge about the city? i don't think so. 193.0.116.21 (talk) 12:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Completely agree. Should be moved to the history section, but has no place in the lede. § DDima 05:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Donetsk flag link

Under the city's flag on the article there is a link to the Flag of Donetsk. It routes you to the flag of Donetsk Oblast, not Donetsk city. Perhaps it should be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.178.28 (talk) 04:21, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Russian recognition

Re this edit [1].

Russia's statement is not a recognition of the outcome of the referendum. It's just diplomatic talk. See [2]: "Russia stopped short on Monday of outright recognition of the contentious referendums organized by separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian-speaking provinces of southeast Ukraine".

Now, that may change in the (near) future and in that case we can change the wording. But as of right now, it's just not the case that Russia recognized the referendum.Volunteer Marek (talk) 02:17, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there some "official wikipedia policy" for determining when one country has recognized a voting process in another country? It seems to me "diplomatic talk" is all we have to go on. Recognition of the existence of a new state is a different story as there tends to be an official process for that, actual signing of documents and such, but here we are simply talking recognition of a vote. I looked for any such "official recognition process" for the crimean referendum, which the wikipedia page says was officially recognized by Russia, but couldn't find any.

I consider the Moscow Times piece ("Russia Recognizes Outcome of Self-Rule Referendums in Eastern Ukraine")[3] to be more relevent than the New York Times piece ("Russia Keeps Its Distance After Ukraine Secession Referendums") for two reasons:

• Less importantly, the Moscow Times tends to act as a mouthpiece for the Russian government whereas the New York Times tends to act as a mouthpiece for the US government (and other "western world" interests). That makes the Moscow Times the source more likely to reliably relay the stated views of the Russian government.
• Much more importantly, the words from the Russian government: "we respect the will of the people of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and are counting on practical implementation of the outcome of the referendum." Note that the first part ("we respect the will of the people of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions") says little about whether or not Russia recognizes this specific referendum (at least if one casts doubt on the vote reflecting the will of the people which many have done in this case, rightly or wrongly), while the second part ("are counting on practical implementation of the outcome of the referendum") indicates such recognition rather strongly (as one would not count on implementation of something one considered a bogus referendum). The New York Times piece only includes the first part and omits the second part, making the NYT piece devoid of relevant facts (and seemingly intentionally so, making the writer's alleged opinion on Russia's recognition or lack thereof also highly suspect -- the words the NYT wraps that partial quote in, "the Kremlin issued a statement saying only that", indicate even more strongly an attempt at deception on the NYT author's part -- in no way, shape or form is the NYT's "the crisis should be resolved" an accurate paraphrase of the Russian government's "counting on practical implementation of the outcome of the referendum" statement.)

75.92.128.208 (talk) 22:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Donetsk People's Republic

No longer "Ukraine" as country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartreligion (talk • contribs) 23:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

It still is according to international law--Mnidjm (talk) 07:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

further more Donetsk People's Republic recognized as terrorists organization, and it followers are the terrorists supporters. --Ipadm (talk) 21:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

added see also

Added:

{{for|the self-proclaimed state in eastern Ukraine|Donetsk People's Republic}}

For the self-proclaimed state in eastern Ukraine, see Donetsk People's Republic.

Zeddocument (talk) 05:05, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Block page editing

I ask a administrator to block editing on this page to avoid vandalism and return the page to a previous format before Illegal referendum --Geekntwar (talk) 08:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I filed a request for semi-protection.Volunteer Marek (talk) 02:04, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Who vandalised the Sports section?

Someone delete the professional sports clubs which was available in the sports section. Someone deleted it, obviously vandalizing.

Also, it wasn't mentioned in the article that Donetsk will host the IIHF World Championship 2015 - Division 1! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.195.129 (talk) 18:15, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Reverting Edits on Country section in infobox.

The city of Donetsk is currently controlled by the Federal State of Novorossiya and is nationaly recognized as part of Ukraine. However when I try to edit the country section in the infobox, I put Ukraine (de jure) and Federal State of Novorossiya (de facto). I don't see why this is considered false information as the city of Donetsk is no longer controlled by Ukraine but is recognized as part of Ukraine. Elevatorrailfan (talk) 03:32, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

There is no Federal State of Novorossiya. It a thing that is not what it is purported to be. Essentially it is a sock-puppet of the Russian Government.

In addition, the Russians control most, but not all of Donetsk. They do not control the airport. If you have been to Donetsk you will know that the airport is part of the city.-- Toddy1 (talk) 03:40, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

There is no such entity as "Novorossiya", it is a complete fiction. Even the so-called "Donetsk People's Republic" is largely a fiction as they are no more than Russian mercenaries without any kind of government or control. Donetsk and Luhansk are simply lawless regions by and large (so adding "de facto" is a joke). --Taivo (talk) 09:28, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Given recent events I have placed the status as "Disputed", the city is identified as part of Ukraine but also as the D.P.P. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:45, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

The consensus for these units under Russian control has been to leave them as part of Ukraine, but to place "(disputed)" following "Ukraine" where necessary. --Taivo (talk) 22:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@TaivoLinguist: I don't know if this is the best approach though, the status of "disputed" for country isn't inaccurate. If nobody disputed this, then there wouldn't be rebels in control or a war. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:23, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

The notion that it not part of Ukraine is covered by Wikipedia:Fringe theories. As far as I can tell, there are no generally recognised states that dispute that it is part of Ukraine.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:33, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

(ec) There are no rebels in Donetsk, they are Russians acting under a false flag. That's been pretty clearly proven (although putin still denies it). But be that as it may, the region is actually still under Ukrainian sovereignty according to the Minsk agreements and will remain under Ukrainian sovereignty as long as those agreements are the basis for international diplomacy. There's no international debate on this and no international pressure to remove them from Ukrainian sovereignty. Russia has even recently removed the former leadership of Donetsk and replaced them with individuals more amenable to the Minsk agreements. Russia even forced Donetsk to cancel early elections and instead conduct elections in accordance with Ukrainian law later in the year. There's even less reason now to remove the Ukrainian sovereignty over Donetsk than there was when the original consensus was reached. --Taivo (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Donetsk–Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic flag

Black-blue-red flag has not been the flag of Donetsk–Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic. See here for more details. And an anonimous BBC article cannot be a source of such historical information.--Dƶoxar (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Mospyne

I wanted to see if I got something correct. So, Mospyne is a city of district significance, which is within and subordinate to the Proletarskyi District, which itself is subordinate to Donestk Municipality, a city of oblast significance? Is this correct? You can have this many levels of local governance? --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:29, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Ukrainian people who speak limited English often use the word "city" to refer to inhabited places that in the English language would be described as "town", "village" or "suburb". It seems that people have created an article with the title City of district significance (Ukraine). The equivalent article for Russia is called Town of district significance - evidently the creator of the latter article was more aware of English-language usage than the creator of the former.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:15, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you have an answer to my question, though? I'm aware of the administrative divisions of Ukraine, but I have a fairly specific question posted above. --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

The answer to your question is yes.

• м Моспине, Донецька область, м Донецьк, Пролетарський район municipality of Mospino/Mospyne, Donetsk region, Donetsk, Proletarskiy district
• Моспинська міська рада details of Mospino/Mospyne municipal council
• History of Mospino/Mospyne
• Map

-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:32, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

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De Facto / De Jure

I think we should include Donetsk People's Republic as the de facto controlling entity in the infobox with Ukraine listed as de jure, like in this edit. What do you think? AlexEng^(TALK) 21:00, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

No. The whole question of whether or not these Russian fronts are sovereign is undecided. In international relations, even Russia admits that these entities are temporary and the ultimate sovereignty of the Donbass is Ukrainian. Thus there is no acceptance of non-Ukrainian sovereignty for these temporary rebel administrations. If we treated every region of the world where the national government has temporarily lost local control, we would be changing infoboxes throughout Wikipedia on a weekly basis. --Taivo (talk) 07:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

If we treated every region of the world where the national government has temporarily lost local control, we would be changing infoboxes throughout Wikipedia on a weekly basis. That's exactly what we do. See any of the pages under the Syrian civil war, particularly Raqqa, for an example of an occupied city. See Abkhazia for an example of de jure / de facto sovereignty. Same also applies to Gaza strip. I think it's appropriate for the infobox to reflect the reality of the occupation. AlexEng^(TALK) 17:40, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

But Abkhazia and Gaza Strip are not the same situation. Those are situations that have been stabilized to a certain extent by international agreement and functioning ceasefires. That is not the case with the Donbass where internationally (including in Russia), there is no recognition of these entities as anything other than parts of Ukraine. Indeed, the only international agreement about the Donbass (Minsk) recognizes the Donbass unequivocally as a part of Ukraine. Also remember that there is a recognized and functioning demarcated line around Abkhazia and Gaza. There is no actual line that has been recognized around the area of the Russian invasion in the Donbass. --Taivo (talk) 18:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2017

add Donetsk People's Republic83.220.239.88 (talk) 08:44, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: The article already mentions the Donetsk People's Republic. Please specifically describe what you want to add. Gulumeemee (talk) 09:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2017

add and change Donetsk People's Republic 79.111.80.221 (talk) 13:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Similar request has been treated above, refer to it Ammarpad (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

It is claimed by Ukraine and by the unrecognized Donetsk People's Republic

My watch is claimed by me (I have a receipt) and by a pickpocket. Xx236 (talk) 12:12, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it seems to have been reworded by a since-blocked user over previous consensus, who then violated the requirements of this page by undoing the reversion. I've since restored previous wording pending further discussion.--Yaksar (let's chat) 15:22, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

"Out of 4.5 million residents of the Donetsk region, 550 are Russian citizens."

Sounds low.

Chaptagai (talk) 22:04, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Good point. There's also no record of the referenced article on Financial Times' website. I've removed this, as it is effectively unsourced. AlexEng^(TALK) 22:18, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Also found this: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-issues-half-million-passports-2-years/31234248.html Chaptagai (talk) 06:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Probably it should have been 550 thousands.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that while googling around for some kind of corroboration (I found none), but I ended up disregarding it because it is not specific to residents of Donetsk and it would be impossible to extrapolate the data as such without some kind of WP:SYNTH violation. AlexEng^(TALK) 08:34, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2022

Under the Government and administrative regions section it states that no UN members recognize DPR but that is no longer the case. Russia does. 78.66.46.101 (talk) 13:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 21:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Here you go: https://www.dw.com/en/russia-recognizes-independence-of-ukraine-separatist-regions/a-60861963

There's also a whole Wikipedia article about it:

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_Donetsk_People%27s_Republic_and_the_Luhansk_People%27s_Republic 78.66.46.101 (talk) 11:17, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

In fact, this article currently states that no other country recognizes DPR and that sentence is also a hyperlink to a Wikipedia article about Russia recognizing DPR. 78.66.46.101 (talk) 11:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

No russian name and transcription!

Donetsk is Ukrainian city! The only language in Ukraine is Ukrainian.

Remove russian transcription! Natalkadoncovka (talk) 15:12, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion, but it is not aligned with Wikipedia policies. Ymblanter (talk) 15:15, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

What are the relevant wikipedia policies to which you refer ? Marlarkey (talk) 11:36, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

In this case, WP:CONSENSUS. If you support the topic starter, you can make your cause more solid by showing a policy which mandates that only Ukrainian name of the city must be in the article. Ymblanter (talk) 17:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request

Most of Donetsk has been annexed by Russian, the lines that say things like ‘is an industrial city in eastern Ukraine located on the Kalmius River in Donetsk Oblast.’ should edited to referent current information 216.150.112.139 (talk) 15:28, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

This is about the city. Not the territory. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:29, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

The annexation is illegal, recognized by no nation, and therefore should not reflect upon Donetsk's legal status as a district in Ukraine. 161.185.160.27 (talk) 17:51, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Is it really illegal? (do note that I know practically nothing about international law and what is technically legal or illegal cause there's no international courthouse for these things really) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:02, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Well considering it hasn’t been administered by Ukraine in over 6 years it’s safe to say it isn’t a territory of Ukraine anymore.§ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.150.112.139 (talk) 03:01, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources disagree with your opinion. Ymblanter (talk) 08:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Yuzivka?

Typo on lead 2001:448A:50E2:513C:1801:331F:2193:109A (talk) 13:55, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

No. Ymblanter (talk) 14:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Why does it still say Ukraine?

A referendum was held and it is a part of Russia now 149.62.206.158 (talk) 14:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Source? Russia's annexation of Ukrainian territories is not recognized by most countries. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:27, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I feel like this is a weird precedent to have. I don't see why the cities, recognized internationally as Ukraine, that are administered as a part of Russia should be reflected as such. It's not "Russian propaganda" or whatever to acknowledge that, de facto, Donetsk/Mariupol/Crimea/whatever are administered as an unrecognized part of Russia internationally recognized as a part of Ukrainian territory. I don't think it's very accurate to solely describe these regions as a part of Ukraine in the same way that it's inaccurate to describe Kosovo solely as an occupied part of Serbia or Somaliland solely as a rebellious part of Somalia. Lord ding dong (talk) 01:15, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

But this is exactly what we say: Part of Ukraine, occupied and administered by Russia. Ymblanter (talk) 06:11, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Education section

it should be updated the education section because there is no longer higher education institutions in the city due to the conflict --Andrez1973 (talk) 23:41, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Official Country

In this article it says the official country is Ukraine but it’s “occupied” by Russia. The republic has been annexed by Russia and voted independent by the people, I can confirm this by friends and relatives in the republic. Please change the flag and country to the DNR (ДНР «Донецкая Народна Республика»). Thanks. 2601:246:8200:4DF0:38E5:891B:87DD:4250 (talk) 13:19, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

The annexation is not recognized by anyone and will not be reflected in the infobox. Ymblanter (talk) 14:15, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Should "occupied by Russia" in the infobox be removed? Looks like it was last changed here. Mellk (talk) 16:08, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I once opened a discussion on one of the village pumps, which I will now have difficulties finding, and the outcome was the infobox should not list occupation. Of course Donetsk has been occupied for 9 years now, but I would still say a clear consensus is need to include this into to the infobox, and I do not see this consensus for the time being. Ymblanter (talk) 16:19, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes this one. I think it was more about 2022 Russian invasion but I will remove it for now. It seems before invasion it was left at Ukraine and DNR but with changed circumstances I think consensus would need to develop for something else. Mellk (talk) 16:27, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, that one indeed. Ymblanter (talk) 16:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Administration

In the infobox, the city is portrayed as (de jure) Ukrainian, yet subtly acknowledging Russian occupation by mentioning the de facto mayor. Shouldn't there be explicit notice of that in an "administration" section as long Donetsk remains occupied? ThanmadGR (talk) 16:33, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I added "installed by Russia", since this kind of addition is common in reliable sources. I also removed his party to avoid a double parenthesis and also because the party is not too relavant in a dictatorship. Rsk6400 (talk) 04:52, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't see any sources for that. Alaexis_¿question? 06:33, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

There are no sources for him being mayor in the article either—blindlynx 14:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The pronunciation guide at the top says it always includes the yod (IPA /j/), but I've heard people (mainly Americans, but also a handful of Brits) on the news and in other formal situations commonly use a pronunciation without the yod. I'm having trouble finding some reliable linguistic source, but this compilation of various people saying "Donetsk" includes a healthy amount without the yod, albeit a minority. Could we indicate this in the IPA section? HappyWith (talk) 22:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)