Talk:Doctor Who season 16

Requested move 1 (re-listed below)

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The result of the move request was: page history-merged. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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Doctor Who: The Key to Time → The Key to Time – Absolutely no reason for the "Doctor Who" prefix, not backed up by any sources. (Admin required to make the move.) U-Mos (talk) 23:15, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - Without 'Doctor Who', what is 'The Key to Time'? Clearly displayed as Doctor Who on the box.--Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 01:53, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: what is different about "Doctor Who" being on this box and any other classic DVD? It's the name of the show. U-Mos (talk) 08:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

• Agree - There is no other prominent Key to Time that I know of - this should be the default Etron81 (talk) 01:56, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
• Comment I've requested a histmerge to merge the history of these two pages, so that if the article is moved, the contribution history will not be a problem. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 03:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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Was prematurely moved by admin, not following MOS. Discussion should have continued, and correct title possibly "Doctor Who (series 16)" according to the MOS would be best, and "Doctor Who: The Key to Time" as a redirect.--Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 14:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 08:46, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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Doctor Who: The Key to Time → The Key to Time – Apparently I have to re-list this, then. See above. U-Mos (talk) 17:53, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

• Apparently the MOS does not apply, then. See above.--Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 18:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - The Wikipedia guideline says to format Show name, then season number, or if there is a special season name use that but stay consistent with the naming of other seasons, aka if only one season is named, than the named season follows the format of the others.--MrBoire (talk) 01:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Yes, as stated in MOS "occasional exceptions may apply". The Key to Time and The Trial of a Time Lord are exceptional as the only Classic Doctor Who serials packaged as seasons. See List of Doctor Who DVD and Blu-ray releases#Classic series. —Mrwojo (talk) 03:06, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

  There is nothing exceptional about this series that warrants an exception.--Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 00:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

  If the article was moved from TKTT without necessity and without consensus, then it should be moved back to TKTT. —Mrwojo (talk) 06:01, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

  Actually it was moved TO TKTT without necessity and without consensus and was moved back.--Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 06:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

  Ah, I mistook the history merge results as a July move. 76.65.131.160 explained on WP:SPLICE: 13 May 2007: The Key to Time was merged into Story arcs in Doctor Who#The Key to Time; 18 September 2011: Story arcs in Doctor Who#The Key to Time was split into Doctor Who: The Key to Time (many Classic Doctor Who season articles were being created); 29 July 2012: The Key to Time redirect was fixed to point at Doctor Who: The Key to Time instead of Story arcs in Doctor Who#The Key to Time. —Mrwojo (talk) 07:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

• Move back to The Key to Time where the article was for years without controversy. Tim! (talk) 06:07, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
  • and Oppose Doctor Who (season 16) per WP:COMMONNAME and The Trial of a Time Lord. Tim! (talk) 07:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
• Support a move to The Key to Time. However, I'd also be happy with Doctor Who (season 16) Etron81 (talk) 23:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• Rename Doctor Who (season 16), as MrBoire stated. Heroes also tried this, and failed. — WylieCoyote (talk) 22:32, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. Keep "Doctor Who" in the title, because outside of the fans, without it the title is too ambiguous. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
• Comment I'm torn about this. I like The Key to Time on it's own, but other season articles with umbrella or banner titles usually have the main series title included as well. For example, Torchwood: Children of Earth and Torchwood: Miracle Day. Now if you proposed moving The Trial of a Time Lord to Doctor Who: The Trial of a Time Lord I might support it. But whichever way we end of going those two should probably match. Currently they don't. --DocNox (talk) 02:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. Many things have names including "time". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:13, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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Infoboxes Headings

While I was making some changes across the different series infoboxes today, The Trial of a Time Lord and The Key to Time stood out as the season number is not displayed anywhere in the infobox and it does seem like something that should be there. I'm not sure the best way to achieve that, I did make an attempt which did feel a little misguided and I wasn't surprised when it was reverted. I'm not sure of others thoughts if it needs to be there and how to do it if so.

FYI, I've started a conversation over on the Talk:The Trial of a Time Lord relevant to this page. Cheers, Dresken (talk) 10:21, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 18 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 18:03, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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• The Key to Time → Doctor Who (season 16)
• The Trial of a Time Lord → Doctor Who (season 23)

– Per very clear and long-standing guidelines at WP:TVSEASON (which I clearly didn't regard back in 2012 above): A consistent naming scheme should be used for all season articles of a TV show: if one season is named something special, this should be noted through redirects and in the article's WP:LEAD, but the article should be named in the same fashion as the other season pages. Furthermore, "The Key to Time" name is never used on-screen and article offers no indication it was referred to as such at time of broadcast, or that it's used more substantially than "season 16" in secondary sources. Many DVD releases use alternative umbrella/collection titles; only difference here is that it's a complete season in one set. More recently, The Trial of a Time Lord arc has been released on Blu Ray titled "season 23" only. U-Mos (talk) 02:52, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@Etron81, Mrwojo, Tim!, CAWylie, SmokeyJoe, DocNox, and Anthony Appleyard: Courtesy ping for all users involved in earlier move discussions (excepting sock puppet blocked users!). U-Mos (talk) 03:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support per clear WP:NCTV guidelines. I saw this before, but as Doctor Who articles have a pretty strong fan base here, I never attempted to fix it. The title is very confusing for a casual reader unfamiliar with the topic, (which I count myself) as the title and the lead can easily be misunderstood that this is a story arc similar to An Unearthly Child. There is a reason why the guideline says to use a consistent title scheme, and this is part of the reason. --Gonnym (talk) 11:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
• Reject combined nomination Season 16 is made up of six different stories identified on screen by separate titles. Season 23 has one single story under a single title - the titles for separate sections are nothing more than volume titles partially used later on. The two are not comparable cases and should be considered separately. Timrollpickering (Talk) 15:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • The fact that you called them "season 16" and "season 23" is exactly why the nom was correct in making this proposal. --Gonnym (talk) 17:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
    • No, it is describing the differences between the two. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:02, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom – there is zero reason not to follow guidelines here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:39, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom - can't think of a reason to do otherwise Etron81 (talk) 00:04, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support both moves. Although The Trial of a Time Lord has only one onscreen title, the subject of the article is technically the season, not the serial. O.N.R. ^(talk) 02:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support both. I can't see a reason why Who warrants exception here. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

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