Talk:Democrats (Slovakia)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thank you for creating this page on a Slovak political party! It looks like it's a brand new party, though clearly an important one in Slovak politics, so well done on covering it so quickly. It might be a good idea to mention their ideological/political position in the lead. Also, I believe that neither of the two articles cited in the lead actually confirms the name change to "Demokrati" as it talks still about "Modra koalicia" (I may have missed it, though wanted to point out in case there is a better link to replace it). Please let me know if I can be of any help.

Ppt91^talk 18:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I think Modrí are not the same political party as Demokrati. Not at all, Modrí is a new name for already existing SPOLU. There was an idea to go together with others and Mikuláš Dzurinda in the Modrá koalícia, but this plan was left behind. Incumbent Prime Minister Eduard Heger, previously in the OĽaNO movement, left this subject and begins its own Demokrati. Thus, both Demokrati and Modrí exist as independent on each other. Moreover, you can see this in opinion polls which have numbers for Demokrati a Modrí at the same time. Benesovicmichal (talk) 17:45, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

SPOLU/Demokrati

This party is just Together – Civic Democracy renamed, there is no need for two articles. The Slovak wiki doesn't have it split either. --CaeCalig (talk) 20:03, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

the slovak wiki goes by a more legal definition

i'm not sure Demokrati is Heger's personal party but since it's pretty messy with Dzurinda's Blue Coalition, i don't oppose it Braganza (talk) 07:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Panam2014: Braganza (talk) 07:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@CaeCalig: you can merge them Braganza (talk) 05:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Modrí

when we are at this topic i propose giving Dzurinda's Blue Coalition/Blues a new article Braganza (talk) 07:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Benesovicmichal: Braganza (talk) 07:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Braganza and CaeCalig: one article is needed. All interwikis have been moved the others are not yet updated. Blues is not needed. Panam2014 (talk) 10:08, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

why? its a different party now Braganza (talk) 10:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Dzurinda left SPOLU/Blue Coalition/now Democrats to form "the blues" which runs with Most-Hid Braganza (talk) 10:11, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Braganza: changing leader does not means it is a new party. We should have one article for SPOLU/Democrats but create an article for Blue's-European Slovakia as split from SPOLU/Democrats. Panam2014 (talk) 10:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

not in slovakia Braganza (talk) 10:19, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Braganza: no source. Panam2014 (talk) 12:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Like Most-hid, they were just reformed using another party Braganza (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Braganza: what is the name taken by Most–Híd after 2021? And the name taken by Most–Híd before 2023? Panam2014 (talk) 12:25, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Most–Híd merged into Alliance but left Alliance in 2023

so they used another hungarian party which renamed themselves "Most–Híd 2023" Braganza (talk) 12:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Ideology

@Braganza: Hi, I noticed you added the dubious mark to several of the ideological stances I had added there. Since the party was reorganized fairly recently there aren't really any secondary sources that could be used as references so I understand the issue of using primary sources. On the other hand I formatted the sentence as The current leader of the party Eduard Heger presents the party as... and not something like The party is... Is this be disputable? It's just a description of how the party started to present itself after the reorganization, renaming and change in its leadership. CaeCalig (talk) 09:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@CaeCalig: the party is pretty much centre-right and the text implies that Heger made it a centrist party, which is just wrong.

The centrism source is from the party itself and i just looked at the statement and it's even mentions that they negotiate with other elements from the "centre-right spectrum" and doesn't mention centrism at all.

and green well... many parties nowdays claim to be green so there is more needed than a source by the party itself (the third source which is used in the ideology section just repeats what the manifesto states) Braganza (talk) 09:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Braganza: The first reference includes a statement by Heger which reads "Sme stredovou stranou, ktorá presadzuje demokratické princípy a právny štát." "Stredová strana" means a centrist party. At the bottom of the page under their logo there is writen "Politická strana stredu, ponúkajúca umiernenú odbornú politiku, ktorá nebude ľudí otravovať a rozdeľovať." Again, "strana stredu" means a centrist party. CaeCalig (talk) 09:29, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

i wouldn't include it either way, since it's from the party itself

[1] [2] [3] here they are called centre-right Braganza (talk) 09:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)