Talk:Democrat Party (Thailand)

Ideologies

At the top of the page, it says the Democrat Party is conservative. Then the text goes on talking about it as a liberal party. Maybe a clearer distinction should be made, such as:

Their social politics are conservative, as they are against abortion and gay rights, while their economical politics are liberal, as they believe in low taxes and a small government.

Even so, such a party can't be centre-left. It should be made still clearer. Paul Chang (talk) 06:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

If this is true then it's a liberal conservative party like the Republicans, I'm changing it to that.--J intela (talk) 03:10, 10 October 2008

I know that this discussion occurred ten years ago, but I don’t think that they are against gay rights, and I don’t think that their economic policies are exactly liberal, considering that they support universal healthcare and free education.Cnlthefrog (talk) 12:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Naming

Yes, the party is officially called the "Democrat Party" in English — see website. Jpatokal 05:27, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I've reverted User:Nightstallion's move as no evidence was given as to why "Democratic Party" is "correct". As counterevidence, I offer their website (democrat.or.th), their membership listing in the Council of Asian Liberals and Democrats [1], articles in The Nation and Bangkok Post (Thailand's largest English newspapers) and 122k Google hits. "Democratic Party" seems to used primarily by overseas media who find the actual name odd, which it is, but it's not WP's job to unilaterally "fix" it. Jpatokal 12:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Censure (no-confidence) motion

The Democrat Party, led by Sathit Wongnongtoei on June 18, 2008 submitted to Deputy House Speaker Somsak Kiartsuranan a censure motion of no-confidence against Samak Sundaravej and 7 cabinet ministers in the parliament, to oust the 6-party coalition government led by Samak's People Power Party (PPP). The marathon debate would be held on June 28.xinhuanet.com, Thai Democrats launch no-confidence motion against PM and ministers in parliamentnationmultimedia.com, Censure motion filed against PM, 7 ministers--Florentino floro (talk) 12:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Text removed from Intro.

“ The Democrat Party was founded on April 6, 1946, as a royalist party in opposition to parties affiliated with Pridi Phanomyong, one of the leaders of 1932 Revolution. Democrat Party founder Khuang Aphaiwong was appointed as figurehead Premier of a military government after Marshal Plaek Phibulsongkram seized power. After 1952, the party was in silent opposition to the military governments of Sarit Dhanarajata and Thanom Kittikachorn. After the 1975 parliamentary election, Seni Pramoj led a coalition government until the military coup that followed the military-backed 6 October 1976 massacre of anti-government protesters. In the government of Prem Tinsulanonda the party was part of the coalition. After the September 1992 parliamentary election, Democrat Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai led a coalition government until 1995, when it fell due to a corruption scandal, and again from 1997 to 2001, when it lost the first elections held under the 1997 Constitution. It was in opposition to the Thai Rak Thai Party government of Thaksin Shinawatra from 2001 to 2006, and also to the People's Power Party-led government in 2008. Prior to the 2007 parliamentary election, which it lost, party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva copied several populist policies which were made popular by Thaksin. The party gained power after the PAD's 2008 takeover of Government House and the Kingdom's two main airports. While in power, the Democrat Party-led government led a massive media censorship campaign and ordered a military crackdown on protesters that killed over 80 civilians and injured thousands. ”

After adding a footnote to the sidebar in explication of the party's logo, I removed the above text from the intro as it is repeated further on down in the article. I won't argue with any editor who restores it. --Pawyilee (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Logo Slogan - Truth never dies

Democrat Party (Thailand) logo Slogan is legible on their Facebook page: สจฺจํเว อมตา วาจา

Defined in Thai as คำสัตย์ แลเป็นวาจาที่ไม่ตาย Thai proverb

English: Truth never dies, they say thai language

Strictly speaking, วาจา means proverb, but in this context it works to say "they say." --Pawyilee (talk) 10:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

A little cleaning

I have corrected the article showing that Abhisit was re-elected as the party's leader and have removed the section entitled Party Leadership as I felt it conveyed nothing more than the infobox at the top of the page. Please feel free to reverse the latter modification if you feel so strongly about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonefishing (talk • contribs) 18:48, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Conservative liberalism

This is an answer to a message written by IP 125.24.37.243 on my talk page. I answer it here in order to invite other users to join the discussion.

Original message: My reasons of indicating Democrat Party as "conservative liberal" is that because it seems almost absurd putting "Liberalism" in one line and "Conservatism" in the next; they simply don't make sense unless you say they're the right wing faction of liberalism. This also fits perfectly with the fact that the party seems to be liberal but conservative at the same time. Most importantly, the source for "conservatism" cannot be accessed (only for Financial Times subscribers) so it doesn't really help. Therefore, I believe it should be "conservative liberalism" as original. Regards --125.24.37.243 (talk) 14:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Your argumentation is reasonable and I personally agree with your assessment to describe the Democrat Party as conservative liberal. However, Wikipedia is based on the principle of verifiability. Therefore, we can only write what can be verified with reference to reliable sources, but not the outcome of our own observations, studies and analysis (original research). If you could cite a reliable source that classifies the Democrat Party as conservative liberal, we shall of course inlude this label. But I have already searched for one and could not find any. Maybe you know more or better places to find useful sources. If so, please help and contribute. --RJFF (talk) 14:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, the party is listed as one of the members of Liberal International. The last Democrat government policies can be viewed here which I think is quite liberal to a certain extent. At the end of the day I have no problem with the party being presented as ambivalent but I think to simply write two words next to each other is confusing. Perhaps phrase it like "some aspects liberal, some aspects conservative" ? --125.24.37.243 (talk) 15:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

This phrase could be used in the article's body, but in the infobox we can of course only write keywords (or it wouldn't be an infobox). Isn't it obvious that a party that is described as both liberal and conservative is a conservative liberal (or liberal conservative) party? The readers may draw their own conclusions. --RJFF (talk) 15:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

According to many Abhisit's interview, they actually advocate to militalism (they support coup).

I don’t think that Abhisit actually supports coups. If you actually watch his interviews you will see that he views the 2018 constitution as a problem. Cnlthefrog (talk) 12:58, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

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