Talk:Death of Ahmed Jaber al-Qattan

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Ansumang Proposed this article to be deleted due to "Not a suitable title for an encyclopedic article, or the title need to be changed.". Well Ansumang, how about these articles: Death of Ali Jawad al-Sheikh, Death of Khaled Mohamed Saeed, Death of Hamza Ali Al-Khateeb and Death of Neda Agha-Soltan? Bahraini Activist (talk) 15:43, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Most images in this article will be deleted from Commons. Somobody interested in the article might upload them locally at :en claiming fair use. --Túrelio (talk) 20:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm interested.Can you tell me how to do that? Bahraini Activist (talk) 08:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Save the images to your hard drive. Then click upload file on the left side of the screen, third down in the toolbox box. Follow the directions therein. Feel free to ask me if you need further help. Silverseren^C 14:40, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Birdshot prohibited against humans internationally?

I agree that it should be, but the article doesn't have a citation that supports this. Furthermore, I took a brief look at international law on use of weapons, and I can't find any prohibition that would apply to birdshot.Billmarczak (talk) 20:48, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I went through many articles about those who died with bird shot, and some of them would refer to it as "prohibited weapon". Bird shot is not prohibited in general, but it's prohibited when used against humans; that's what I know. This just needs some search and is probably found best at Bahrainrights.org. Bahraini Activist (talk) 20:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay, here we go. I think this might be the result of an incorrect interpretation of international law. BCHR states: "Protocol 1 of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW) prohibits the use of shotgun or any other similar weapon as the Protocol states, ‘It is prohibited to use any weapon the primary effect of which is to injure by fragments which in the human body escape detection by X-rays.’" But, as far as I know, birdshot fragments are metal, and are thus detectable by X-rays. Therefore, I don't think they would not be covered by the ban.Billmarczak (talk) 22:01, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I did a bit of research and what I found is that BCHR [1], BYSHR [2] and BSHR [3] think that birdshot is internationally prohibited against human beings (I also have read previously for members of Al Wefaq saying it's prohibited), while the ministry of interior says it's not [4]. Since this issue is disputed, then the info should be removed from article or changed to state who says it's prohibited. Bahraini Activist (talk) 06:34, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I must say that I felt surprised when I read the protocol and the interpretation. On a side note, I would appreciate if you would look for any unintentional POV or original research in my edits and if you do find some, don't hesitate to edit it out; I don't mind. In this article, I used a reference from BNA website (this) in which they have admitted that the birdshot belonged to Police men, but they have changed the statement after 2 days. This is the original statement [5]. It has been mentioned in Al Wasat newspaper as well (here). In this situation, what are we supposed to do? Bahraini Activist (talk) 10:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I haven't noticed any POV stuff or original research in your writing yet, but I'll edit if I find any. As for the BNA statement, I thought something was different about it! I remember seeing it when it still said "a police birdshot." In addition to Al Wasat, the BNA statement was also quoted in the New York Times (here) before it was changed. One thing I've seen people do on Wikipedia to preserve old versions of pages is use WebCite. It's kind of like the Wayback Machine, except instead of crawling the internet, WebCite only archives pages that users request be archived. See here for details on using WebCite on Wikipedia. So in the future, when citing a source that is likely to change or disappear, putting it on WebCite before it changes or disappears might be a good idea.Billmarczak (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, just changed the text slightly to make clear that the banned status is disputed, and I added some citations for the dispute. Also, don't hesitate to correct any POV problems, original research, factual issues, bad translations, etc. in my writing!Billmarczak (talk) 21:40, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing, good job. I think that the use of birdshot in Bahrain (even before the uprising) needs to be included in the uprising page and in the birdshot page. Bahraini Activist (talk) 07:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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