Talk:Dayananda Saraswati (Arsha Vidya)

Hagiography

If you want to promote your favoured religious figure then please do it somewhere else, not on Wikipedia. This project is neither the place for zealots nor for promotion. - Sitush (talk) 11:19, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Following your logic, we should delete Gnosticism, Taoism, Thomas Aquinas and probably hundreds of other pages. It is not your place to state what information belongs. The information remains, and whoever doesn't like it can just read another page. Avindratalk / contribs 21:05, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Following up on this, I have reviews your edits and I agree that the POV was not appropriate for Wikipedia style. However, the sources you refer to as hagiography are among some of the referenced primary documents for this article, and should remain in addition to the secondary sources that corroborate the facts. I have neutralized the text here and doing ongoing work on adding relevant information and cleaning up the style. Avindratalk / contribs 18:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

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Acarya Sabha

Is it time to make a new article for this entity? This seems like a non-trivial collection of religious leaders in India. Does anyone know more?

Also, this article seems due for an upgrade from Category:C-Class India articles. It needs some more maintenance, but I reckon that this figure (Dayananda Saraswati) has higher relevance to India given the NGO, many sub-organizations and hundreds of leaders created.

Avindratalk / contribs 18:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

$900,000

@Renlock:: The $900,000 claim comes from this paragraph in this article (https://www.proquest.com/docview/220854666):

On an even more debilitating level, CMW was left with almost no cadre of trained teachers that came out of the Sandeepany Vedanta course. "We got very little out of the course, which as a 'brahmacharya training center' creates the teachers we need in the West to further our mission," said Mrs. Browning. Bereft of fresh teaching troops, CMW is also wrestling with the repayment of loans taken in connection with running Sandeepany West. Chinmaya Mission's policy, in keeping with ancient Vedic gurukulam tradition, is to offer the Sandeepany course free to qualified students. The Mission pays all the expenses, the student has no financial obligations. At Sandeepany West, with the exception of a contribution for food, it cost roughly $15,000 per student (source - CMW Newsletter) - paid by donations from the international body of Mission lay members - to complete the 30 month course. Multiplied by sixty, that's about $900,000 - a hefty amount which grows crushingly heavy when the teachers it trained aren't around to teach. CMW is currently engaged in a $60,000 national fund raising to settle the loans.

Llightex (talk) 19:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Llightex! I hadn’t realised that I had not accessed the whole article. I’m still not sure of the credibility of the magazine article. It seems someone has just plucked a figure from the air of $15,000 and multiplied it by 60 as the number of students. This is just speculation. The full reason behind Swami Dayananda’s departure from the Chinmaya mission has never been adequately addressed in a formal manner. I believe an offer was made to CMW by some of Swami Dayananda’s students to purchase the Sandeepany West property in Piercy and many students donated considerable amounts to pay for their course. I believe the $900,000 mentioned is inaccurate and shouldn’t be left in an encylopdedia (Wikipedia) account of Swami Dayananda’s life. Renlock (talk) 16:36, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@Renlock:: That's fair, thanks for bringing that point up. No other article talks about that number, so it makes sense to remove it. I'm happy to send you the entire article though, perhaps there are other points that vouch to its credibility (such as an interview with people from CMW) and other parts that are worth inclusion in this section. Llightex (talk) 19:48, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Llightex, you can send the article to my talk page. I think there should be some conclusive proof of the $900,000 before it is posted on Wikipedia, especially since the extraordinary amount of voluntary work that Swami Dayananda did for the Chinmaya Mission before he left that organisation would be priceless. Renlock (talk) 16:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

@Renlock: I sent it to you through an e-mail, let me know if you don't receive it. While I agree with you that any fact about Swami Dayananda (and any other person on Wikipedia) should be somewhat well-substantiated / verified before posting it on Wikipedia, I don't think this claim, even if true, negates the priceless work that Swami Dayananda did for the Mission. It rather brings out the complexity in his legacy to the Mission, and I think ideally Wikipedia would be able to bring out and let readers understand that complexity by emphasizing all facts around the situation. Llightex (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2021 (UTC) Thanks Llightex.....received long article. I'll study further and can send you reply with further references. Renlock (talk) 19:15, 24 September 2021 (UTC)