Talk:David Axelrod

Criticism

No criticism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.175.52.134 (talk) 00:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Under Personal Life: "Axelrod is set to advise Rahm Emanuel in his Chicago Mayoral race and if Emanuel wins he will reportedly be named underboss of the Chicago outfit. Pres Obama is reportedly furious with the notion that Axelrod will rejoin the Outfit where he was previously a Street Captain between 2002-2008."

Is this objective/ appropriate?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.185.117 (talk) 23:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism

The last paragraph is lifted word for word from the NY Times article about Axelrod: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/magazine/01axelrod.t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin

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Should be High Importance

This man is sort of Karl Rove —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.223.193.144 (talk) 08:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

"...sort of Karl Rove..." I dunno, I think this guy has cleared the hurdle of notability, but is biographical information about him of high importance? I would think not. He rates mid at best in Illinois (and that importance may be transitory, right now hes "current events", remains to be seen if he merits more than a footnote to "history"), perhaps high in Chicago if thats his area of influence.PreciousRoi (talk) 00:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

His name's come up in a astro-turfing allegation in regards to a PR Firm using a professionally produced smear video about Sarah Palin supposedly belonging to the Alaskan Independence Party, a claim that was debunked some weeks ago: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.212.137 (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

axelrod and web 2.0

I'm changing "Axelrod is credited with engineering Barack Obama's unconventional presidential campaign by drawing on 'Web 2.0' technology and viral media to support a grassroots strategy," because I've found a source that this is not true. While he's involved in implementing this strategy, he certainly did not in anyway engineer this strategy. [10] Ocedits (talk) 03:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

personal life

does he have any children besides Lauren? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.4.77.118 (talk) 21:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

His other business: ASK

I added information on his other business.

ASK Public Strategies

Axelrod operates a second business from the same office, ASK Public Strategies, that discreetly plots strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients to tilt public opinion their way. He and his partners are secretive about operations and won't reveal the client roster or revenue. Customers and public records confirm agency has run campaigns for the Chicago Children's Museum, ComEd, Cablevision, and AT&T. The firm helped set up front organizations that were listed as sponsors of public-issue ads, a practice that industry insiders call such practices "Astroturfing" (manufacturing grassroots support). Eric Sedler, 39, a former public relations director at AT&T and corporate-reputation specialist at PR giant Edelman, is the "S" in ASK and the company's managing partner. The "K" is John Kupper, 51, a former congressional press secretary and ad-industry consultant, while the "A," of course, is Axelrod. One TV commercial, penned by ASK, warned of a ComEd bankruptcy and blackouts without a rate hike and was sponsored by a group known as CORE, which describes itself on its Web site as "a coalition of individuals, businesses and organizations," but after a complaint was filed with state regulators, ComEd acknowledged that it had bankrolled the entire $15 million effort. Employees of the utility and its parent, Exelon, have contributed $181,711 to Obama's presidential bid, more than workers at any other company in the state.The Secret Side of David Axelrod Businessweek Mar. 2008[11] When Illinois utility Commonwealth Edison wanted state lawmakers to back a hefty rate hike two years ago, it took a creative lobbying approach, concocting a new outfit that seemed devoted to the public interest. The firm also worked on behalf of Madison Square Garden's to stop plans for the contructions of a football stadium for the Jets on New York's Westside. ASK's $1.1 million fee was listed as the "largest lobbying contract" of the year in the annual report of the state's lobbying commission. ASK last year proposed another "front" group campaign to help Illinois hospitals block a state proposal that would have forced them to provide more medical care to the indigent. One part of its plan: create a "grassroots" group of medical experts "capable of contacting policymakers to advocate for our position," according to a copy of the proposal. (ASK didn't get the contract.) Public-interest watchdogs say these grassroots campaigns are state of the art in the lobbying world. "There's no way with a straight face to say that's not lobbying," says Ellen Miller, director of the Sunlight Foundation, which promotes government transparency.Obama’s Lobbyist Connection By Michael Isikoff | NEWSWEEK [12] The firm's work has also involved Michelle Obama's employer, the University of Chicago Hospital. She helped create a program, called the Urban Health Initiative, that hired ASK Public Strategies in 2007 to assist in marketing the plan to the community as a better alternative for poor patients. The plan has critics in the community, however, who see at as a way to dump costly patients and increase the hospital's bottom line.University of Chicago shunning poor patients?: HOSPITAL DISPUTE: Obama's wife, 3 aides tied to plan to free up space by Tim Novak and Chris Fusco Chicago Sun Times August 23, 2008 http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1122691,CST-NWS-hosp23.article

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallamoose (talk • contribs) 02:54, 21 September 2008

References

Suggested Additions

An interesting story on possible campaign violations and a lack of supervision on where contributions are coming from.

Excerpts from article cited below (and in other papers today):

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod, speaking to reporters en route to Nashville, Tenn., on Tuesday, noted that anyone can donate to the (Obama) campaign through the Internet. "We monitor these things as best we can," he said.

The Republican National Committee filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Monday asking for an investigation of Obama's foreign contributions, among other things.

The FEC on Monday provided The Associated Press with a spread sheet of potential overseas donors that did not include contributors who left their state designation blank. As a result, the list was incomplete.

The $3.3 million total does not include donors who have given less than $200 and whose contributions do not have to be itemized. Some of that money could also have come from overseas. About half of Obama's $455 million in contributions so far are unitemized. The campaign does not identify those donors.

"We monitor these things as best we can," Axelrod said.

(6th paragraph from the bottom)

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081008/D93M0K5G0.html

"Obviously we've got a huge database of contributors," he said. "It's valuable to our campaign... We're probably more forthcoming about disclosure than anyone."

Independent watchdog groups, however, have asked the campaign to provide more information about its fundraisers and to at least provide information about small donors by zip code or country from where they donate.

Republican John McCain's campaign lists all his donors, even those who give less than $200, on his Web site. (Wallamoose (talk) 23:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC))

I'm curious why the article doesn't mention the recent controversy over Mr. Axelrod's involvement in the White House's email list. Axelrod's name appears at the bottom of every email, yet the White House Press Secretary claims to know nothing about it. The emails are SPAM at best; they border on propaganda. Even if writers disagree with my assessment, Axelrod is pushing the limit by vocally attempting to win support for the President. To my knowledge, no other Senior Advisor to any past President ever had a mailing list (email or otherwise), and none have encouraged citizens to "pass the message" (or tell them that this message is a "Message Worth Forwarding").

For more, look at www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/13/AR2009081301761.html 24.139.48.207 (talk) 01:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)lacarids

Move to "David Axelrod"?

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The result of the move request was: move to David Axelrod. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 05:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC) ~~~~

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David Axelrod (political consultant) → David Axelrod — Already explained below, but not initiated. Joey the Mango (talk) 00:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Now that he's a Senior Advisor to the President, the title of this article is a bit jarring. Would it make sense given his greatly elevated notability to make this the primary "David Axelrod" article, and move the current page of that name to "David Axelrod (disambiguation)"? ciphergoth (talk) 09:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

there is another david axelrod, apart from the political advisor, the poet, and the musician. he is david axelrod the film producer. perhaps wikipedia should take note of this fact in order to prevent people from being confused. otherwise, some people might think that obama's advisor has been moonlighting in the motion picture industry.................... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.206.70 (talk) 12:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I would tend to agree. Without any empirical evidence, does anyone really think of the poet/educator or musician before this guy? Joshdboz (talk) 12:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Support According to the pageview stats below a page move is in order.

• http://stats.grok.se/en/200904/David%20Axelrod%20(political%20consultant)
• http://stats.grok.se/en/200904/David%20B.%20Axelrod
• http://stats.grok.se/en/200904/David%20Axelrod%20(musician) --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

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Why is this part on the very top section: "He is also a supporter of Cook County Commissioner Forrest Claypool, who helped Axelrod begin his firm (under the name Axelrod and Associates)." ? Really? That's one of the most important things about Axelrod? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.31.248 (talk) 15:24, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Three "new" sections

A mix of miscellaneous comments were grouped at the top of the body of this page (after the Wiki templates). I'm breaking them into sections, here. All are below as if they're the most recent sections (as, in one way, they are), except that I've made them sub-sections, for clarity hopefully.

Beyond simple organizational clarity, my current interest is in the third "Parentage" section, which has had a repeat low-level sort-of vandalism/disagreement going on and I'm trying to set up for some discussion if it's wanted. Swliv (talk) 00:20, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Mistaken link to Japanese article

The link to the Japanese article on this page needs to be removed. It is about a seperate Axelrod who is a "far right Israeli lobbyist" arrested in 1990 for killing an Arab person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by I am 123456 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

For future reference, WP:SOFIXIT; Japanese article links look like this: [[ja:ダヴィド・アクセルロッド]].скоморохъ 16:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

"Democratic" link

Does "Democratic" in the first sentence refer to the Democratic Party? If so, someone should change the link; it currently links to "democracy". All in 03:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. --HailFire 20:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC

Parents

What does it mean to say he has jewish parents? Is he a practicing Jew? I note he is head of a fundraising committee for the catholic church that the controversial priest who spoke at Wrights church spoke at. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.243.223 (talk) 16:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

To more directly address the issue discussed in the preceding paragraph, with its indirect reference to anti-Semitism, does one refer to other American citizens as, for example, "Born to Protestant parents." This is not usual practice, when referring to persons of other than Jewish extraction or religion. It has no place in this article. It is another subtle form of anti-Semitism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.57.109 (talk) 19:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

This phrase "(all mention of Axelrod's parents and occupations have been removed from this biography)" I removed last month from the body of the "Early life" section of the article. I made the comment then, "Without being addressed on Talk:David Axelrod further, I agree w/talk page comments." With the reappearance of the phrase, I've looked at the issue and gone the opposite way this time. I have reconstructed what was in fact removed en bloc from the article and restored it to the article. This edit appears to be the one which removed the material, and it was done without any explanation.

I removed this next line from the copy in the article (it did not appear in the body of the article, just when editing):

"< ! - - All mention of David Axelrod's parents has been removed from this history. - - >"

I do recognize the "< ! - - ... - - >" format ("stretched" out here with extra spaces to "disable" it) as "maybe official" but decided to take it out since there was no explanation there or here on the talk page. I'm hoping that if there is in fact some consensus about the removal of the material that it can be discussed and resolved here, for future reference. Swliv (talk) 02:20, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Chicago-style politics

The article was recently edited to include a link to a newly created article. This is questionable in two regards. First, it seems the phrase here is being used as described in Chicago-style politics not as used in the newly created Chicago-style politics (meme). Second it's hard to see if this is of note at all. Springee (talk) 12:03, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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Family stated as Jewish, but without any sources

There should be relevant sources for any statement and especially for biographical descriptions. So now there will be. (http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/309345/how-bibi-alienated-all-his-jewish-allies-at-the-white-house/, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/23/barackobama.uselections2008).RudiLefkowitz (talk) 05:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

How is he related to Herbert R. Axelrod?

The book publisher and infamous tax dodger and donater of fake antiques to Museums. They look alike. One is 89 (HRA) the other a nephew? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4101:4167:40AE:1F73:64E6:AD1 (talk) 21:58, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 02:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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• David Axelrod (political consultant) → David Axelrod
• David Axelrod → David Axelrod (disambiguation)

– Pageview data shows the political consultant is the primary topic per the criteria at WP:PT1. Over the last two years, the political consultant has received about 4x more average monthly pageviews than all other David Axelrod articles combined: pageview data Even if we remove the Political Consultant's relatively recent spike in views since May, he'd still receive about 3x more views than all of the other articles combined: pageview stats prior to May

WikiNav data also shows 87% of visitors to the David Axelrod disambiguation page click through to the David Axelrod (political consultant): clickstream data RachelTensions (talk) 21:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. It's not even close. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Seems like a pretty clear primary topic. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support primary topic by usage. See Massviews [13]. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• This seems fine now, but I really dislike the idea of doing this move at the height of an election season, because it inherently prejudices the outcome in favor of the person connected to politics, as editors attending the discussion will likely be more tuned into politics. An encyclopedia shouldn't be so susceptible to current events.

Another way to look at this can be - WikiNav for September says 446 incoming views, 204 to political consultant (~46%), 58 to musician, 11 to physician, nothing filtered. If two months before an election we don't get more than half the people to choose the political consultant, are they really the primary topic?

And if we go back in time a bit, say a year, the page views and clickstream archives say for September '23: 420 total views, 142 to political consultant (~34%), 126 filtered (~30%), 91 to musician (~22%) - overall much less obvious if the readers really associate the name so strongly with the political consultant that this navigation is worse than the other way. Yes, the political consultant is the most commonly sought topic, but that doesn't have to mean he's the primary topic. Also, this discussion didn't discuss long-term significance at all. (Oppose) --Joy (talk) 11:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Ceoil (talk) 12:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Clear primary topic of the term. BD2412 T 00:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom. Political guy is clearly the top of the disambig. BarntToust 18:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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