Talk:DT-Manie

	Linguistics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Linguistics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of linguistics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LinguisticsWikipedia:WikiProject LinguisticsTemplate:WikiProject LinguisticsLinguistics
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Netherlands

This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Netherlands, an attempt to create, expand, and improve articles related to the Netherlands on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page where you can join the project or contribute to the discussion.NetherlandsWikipedia:WikiProject NetherlandsTemplate:WikiProject NetherlandsNetherlands

Pronounciation guide

Latest comment: 5 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Can someone add the pronounciation for the items in the bullet list? I don't speak Dutch, so I don't intuitively see the complication with the endings. (In other words, the article doesn't explain why these verb conjugations are difficult, and a non-Dutch may not immediately understand.) If the pronounciations are all the same, can someone find a source to confirm that?

• Supāsaru 14:45, 22 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Native Dutch speaker from The Netherlands here. All words ending in d, dt and t are pronounced with final /t/ (like English hat); this is due to final-obstruent devoicing. Even though those all sound like t, they are not spelled like that: in verbs the etymological spelling prevails. This sometimes causes trouble, because for many people it is not intuitive which one to pick. These are usually called dt-fouten ("dt-mistakes") in Dutch -- see nl:dt-fout. I have never heard of the term "dt-mania" (might be Flemish though?)

Because this article sounds like an advertisement for this "dt-mania" learning system, and is mostly unsourced, I would suggest to move it to "dt-mistakes" or similar. Alternatively it could be merged with T-rules (which I haven't heard of either, but seems to be the way that non-native speakers are taught this).

For reference, the way that I was taught this in primary school was pretty simple: if you have a verb whose stem ends on -d, to figure out if you write -d or -dt, just replace it by another verb (like lopen) -- if you hear a -t with lopen, you also write it for your original verb (obtaining -dt in the process). (Of course this works for native speakers only, who know how to conjugate lopen intuitively.) --2A02:A453:89C9:1:1CA1:4286:E3EB:5F7A (talk) 22:22, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Add topic