Talk:Crime in New South Wales

NOTE: Importance level was copied from the old (now merged) Crime in Sydney talk page, and Sydney project added here.

Proposed merge from Crime in Sydney

There's quite a lot wrong with all of the articles relating to Crime in Australia, but I am proposing that the articles currently named by city each be merged into a state-level article. In each case, the crime statistics and police services relate to the whole state, and with population density outside the major cities being so low, I can't see a case for separate articles for each. I have created this article as a stub to start the process, but would like to do the same for all of the other states and territories. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:12, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Afterthought: perhaps better to keep all general discussion on the Crime in Australia talk page? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

The pages are now merged, and what follows first is all of the old discussion from the old Crime in Sydney talk page. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Discussion about rationale for the existence of this page

Isn't this a bit OTT? Sure, Sydney probably has the highest crime rate in Oz, but isn't the perception getting way in front of the reality? Much and all as we Melbournites like to remind you of being a prison colony and all :)--Robert Merkel

Well, I did not create that page, but Sydney does have a crime history at least worth mentioning. You could try to wrte a bit more about Melbourne crime, eg Squizzy Taylor and the Painters and Dockers Union. - Arno

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Why does this rate a separate page? Why can't it be folded into the Sydney article? Are we going to create articles about crime in every city in the world? -- Zoe

This is getting WAY out of control. This is not a newspaper, it's an encyclopedia. -- Zoe

Yes, this page is absurd and Wikipedia is not a news report. We have already deleted the minor terrorist acts article and I say we do the same here. There is no reason to have a timeline of random acts of violence in just one city. Do(es) the author(s) plan on listing every rape and hold-up that has ever occurred in this city -- only then could this article even be marginally useful? I say we move the content here to metapedia and let the author finish there. --mav

I deleted the gang rape details and redirected the main page to Sydney, Australia. -- Zoe

This is no random rape or hold up. Four separate cases of gang rape in a period of a few weeks, seven separate victims, dozens of perperatrors, all belong to the same ethnic group. It is relevant to the issue of ethnic relations in Sydney. There are already articles on other major crimes, why not include this?

Because Wikipedia is not a news report -- there are at least 4 rapes in my city every day - many of which are race related or due to a serial rapist - so what? Unless this turns out to be especially notorious it is not of encylcopedic interest. -mav

In Sydney it is especially notorious. Your average crime doesn't result in a change in the criminal law (which these ones did). Your average crime doesn't create a political fuss over whether the Premier is being ethnically sensitive or not.

Also Zoe you sense an agenda? You mean an anti-Muslim agenda. Even the Mufti of Australia, Sheik Tajeddine Hamed el Hilaly, says the perpertrators were Muslim. see [1]

Agree partially with mav. Wikipedia is certainly not a new report but rapes trageted at any ethnic groupd are major crimes. Those verses could be editied and place under rape with links to Sydney, Australia so it would be less gross to read. If there are pages only talks about crimes of specific cities, Crime in Sydney and cases of rapes do deserve a page to show no discrimination on any city. - user:Ktsquare

Ktsquare, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I don't think ANY city should have its own crime page. Sydney is certainly no different from any other major world city in its crime, its rapes, nor its rapes committed by or targeted towards particular ethnic groups. -- Zoe

Clarifying my points here:

If crime pages of any city exist on wikipedia, then we either

1) delete all pages and incorporate the contents into other pages judging by kinds of crimes

2) re-create Crime in Sydney and put cases of rape there.

If those pages do not exist, contents from Crime in Sydney could be edited and placed under rape and other crime pages with links to Sydney, Australia so it would be less gross to read. -Ktsquare

Ktsquare - you say it sounds gross - I quite agree. In fact, I edited out some of the grossness present in the newspapers (the rapists have been quoted saying some things a lot more vile than what you read there). But life is gross and people shouldn't censor out grossness... but since people don't want it on wikipedia i put it on metapedia

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I have yanked this from the main "Sydney" article mainly to get it out of the road and not create a misleading impression of the place. It needs serious work and some actual perspective. --Robert Merkel 04:11 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)

This was obviously written by a victorian. It has no place in wikipedia. I agree it should be deleted or an equivalent article on Melbourne gangland shootings should be written! NSWelshman 15:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

there is one for the melbourne killings.

I am happy to be of slightly different opinion to the majority with this one. In 1980 my Father was murdered by the Mafia in Kings Cross. To my knowledge nobody was convicted for his death. I found the article informative and was grateful to whomever was responsible for compiling it. I understand the controversy though. 123.255.62.148 (talk) 23:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC) Sheelagh

Shootings and homicide in Sydney

Last year (2008) there were 7 murders in Auckland, and 49 murders in Sydney! In the week ending 05/02/09 Sydney has more reported shootings in the past seven days than the whole of New Zealand had in the past 12 months.

It is pure fact that Sydney is a far more dangerous city than Auckland. Its also a fact that Australia's crime rate is very high.

No it's not a fact, it's just a claim. Define very high for starters. Or even more dangerous. I've lived in Sydney for 34 years and never been a victim of crime. You also neglect to point out the population of Auckland is significantly less than Sydney's. In any case I'm not sure where you get your stats from. The Sydney LGA lists 3 murder victims for 2008. I guess if you add up every part of Sydney metro area you might reach 49 - I'm not sure how you arrived at this figure. In any event based on the Sydney population (listed on Wikipedia as over 4.5 million) the incidents of crime per capita is roughly consistent with Auckland. Tigerman2005 (talk) 02:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed merge into Crime in New South Wales

There's quite a lot wrong with all of the articles relating to Crime in Australia, but I am proposing that the articles currently named by city each be merged into a state-level article. In each case, the crime statistics and police services relate to the whole state, and with population density outside the major cities being so low, I can't see a case for separate articles for each. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:08, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Afterthought: perhaps better to keep all general discussion on the Crime in Australia talk page? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:19, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

As per the first discussion on this page, there is little support for having a separate page for crime in Sydney. Will now merge into Crime in New South Wales. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)