Talk:Crescent honeyeater

• wow - must ref this soon. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

got it two years on...Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

• and look in here.

• bookmarked this, this and this to add. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

• and this and this Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:31, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Banksia Marginata

Is perhaps one of the more important food plants here. Banksia_marginata#cite_note-Barker_1984-1 seems to support it but I don't have that book. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Funny you should bring this up. Was thinking today that marginata was a no-brainer and pondering on fetching a ref. Will do so tonight. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's most banksias in its range...Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:39, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

References

• John G. Ewen, Kate L. Ciborowski, Rohan H. Clarke, Rebecca L. Boulton and Michael F. Clarke Evidence of extra-pair paternity in two socially monogamous Australian passerines: the Crescent Honeyeater and the Yellow-faced Honeyeater Emu 108(2) 133–137 http://dx.doi.org/10.1071/MU07040 Marj (talk) 08:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

• Mark A. Jurisevic and Ken J. Sanderson The Vocal Repertoires of Six Honeyeater (Meliphagidae) Species from Adelaide, South Australia EMU Vol. 94, 141-148, 1994 Royal Australasian Ornithologists Union 1994 Marj (talk) 07:26, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Added Marj (talk) 00:50, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Crescent Honeyeater/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 21:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Some thoughts:

• It'd be good if we could have a lead image of a male and one of a female. (Also, why "male" and not "Male" in the caption?)

Added female and capitalised first letter Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• "honeyeater family Meliphagidae" honeyeater and Meliphagidae link to the same article

De-linked honeyeater

• "Two subspecies are recognised." Perhaps go into this? In fact, considering the length of the article, a lead of only one paragraph seems a little too short

Added "with P. p. halmaturinus restricted in range to Kangaroo Island and the Mount Lofty Ranges in South Australia.", and expanded the lead. Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• tea-tree is a dablink

Fixed Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• "Banding studies" Is there an appropriate link for this?

Linked to Bird ringing Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• Paras 2 and 3 of "Breeding" both discuss fledglings. Best to consolidate?

Consolidated and re-organised a bit Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• Correa is a dablink

Fixed Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• You abbreviate Mt. Lofty in the second mention, but spell it out in full the first and third times

Spelled in full in all occurrences Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• "Acacia dealbata" Why do you not link? Don't be scared of redlinks! Also, is "Bondi State Forest" worth linking?

LInked both Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• The feeding section feels like it isn't structured that well. Sorry I can't be more specific, but I'd reccomend trying to restructure, especially if you have FAC in mind.

Re-structured, may need ce still Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, had a rejig as well...might try to find some more info. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:14, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

• It feels like you never properly discuss predation of the species- it's mentioned in passing in the lead and the breeding section, but surely there's a little more to be said?

Added "The nests of the Crescent Honeyeater are usually low in the shrubs, which makes the birds and their young vulnerable to predation by birds and snakes, however both domestic and feral cats are the most likely to hunt this species" Marj (talk) 05:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• The reference formatting seems odd in a few places:
  • "^ BirdLife International (2004). Phylidonyris pyrrhopterus. In: IUCN 2007. (2007) IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. <www.iucnredlist.org>. Downloaded on 10 June 2008" This isn't a very standard format

Re-formatted Marj (talk) 04:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

• • Page numbers seem to be used oddly in refs 3, 4 and 5

formatted now Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• • Sometimes "Victoria" is abbreviated to "Vic", sometimes not (also, sometimes you cite cities, sometimes nations)

should all be state and unabbreviated now Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• • "Handbook of Australian, New Zealand and Antarctic birds" Italicise? Also, "Birds" as opposed to "birds"?

Aha, the title was in the series parameter, made it look funny so slotted it all into title parameter. Birds capped now Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:46, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• • Some more wikilinks to publishers, authors etc wouldn't hurt

Added, primarily authors Marj (talk) 00:31, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

• • Most references to journals don't bother with a publisher- "^ Cooper, Roy P. (1960). "The Crescent Honeyeater". Australian Bird Watcher (Melbourne, Vic: Bird Observers Club) 1: 70–76. ISSN 00450316." does

One convention is to give the publisher if it is the mouthpiece of an organisation - don't know where Wikipedia stands on this, but the Melbourne Bird Observers Club is probably not a radical organisation that readers need to be alerted to. Marj (talk) 05:00, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• Two columns for the references would probably look a little nicer.
• Category:Animals described in 1802? Category:Birds of New South Wales? Category:Birds of Victoria (Australia)?

cats added. miaow Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:33, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• A link to the base image on File:Crescenthoneyeaterrangemap.png would be good.

It is linked on the commons page to File:Australia map, States.svg - is this what you meant? Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:27, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, my mistake. J Milburn (talk) 10:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Generally looking very nice- most of what I've said is very minor. Clearly well researched and well written. Sources are reliable, images are free. I made a few small fixes. J Milburn (talk) 22:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Let me know when you feel you're done with my comments, but don't feel rushed. J Milburn (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I've done all I can, I'll leave it to Cas to sign off Marj (talk) 00:31, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I think we've got everything on the list. I still might rummage around for some extra feeding material to make it flow a bit better but I don't think that precludes a green hot-cross bun (?). Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Great- I've given the article another couple of look-throughs, and I am happy to promote at this time. Nice work! J Milburn (talk) 14:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Great thanks (was gonna say something witty..but meh) :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

1801 or 1802?

Schodde, Richard; Dickinson, Edward C., Steinheimer, Frank D., Bock, Walter J. (2010). "The Date of Latham’s Supplementum Indicis Ornithologici:1801 or 1802?". South Australian Ornithologist (Adelaide, S.A.: Birds SA) 35 (8): 231–235. ISSN 00382973. After reading this I've been giving the date as 1801 Marj (talk) 04:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Fine by me. I've seen discussion on some of these early ones before...Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:16, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

FAC...

Okay, only found one extra tidbit not covered to date. Can't think of what else to do - I formatted the thing to death, may as well take the plunge....Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:52, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Do we have an edit war over the genus authority? Marj (talk) 18:18, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I think Snowman was doing something bot-related. We don't have genus authorities in non-monotypic genera so no drama. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

What is Australia

In south-eastern Australia including Tasmania., the last two words are redundant. But I have found that this is rather complex. Australia is ambiguous. The continent includes Tasmania. The country includes Tasmania. The island does not include Tasmania. The normal practice with ambiguous terms is to resolve it with a link. In this case, just linking will do: south-eastern Australia, the country, shorter and more explicit. Briefness is a virtue in the first sentence of the lead. --Ettrig (talk) 10:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd normally think of Tasmania as separate to SE Oz, but the brevity is attractive....Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Is it obvious?

it engages in "song flights". The phrasing here seems to indicate a specific bird behavior; rather than just singing while flying. Is it as simple as the latter or is there more to it?--JimmyButler (talk) 22:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

A 'song flight' is part of a mating display, and involves wing fluttering, hovering, diving etc - not just moving along - and a particular call designed to attract the attention of the female. Marj (talk) 22:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

As covered in the breeding section, as I have now discovered. Maybe that's common knowledge; it is mentioned in two locations (introduction and vocalization) before it is eventually expanded upon, leaving me a tad perplexed. Thank you.--JimmyButler (talk) 22:53, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Cats have preyed upon Crescent Honeyeaters, and cat owners have been urged to keep their cats in enclosures when outside the house or provide more entertainment indoors. A minor detail; yet it seems strange in past tense. I suspect its an on-going problem. I understand the logic of cat cages, to reduce predation (I guess you can't chain a cat to a post); however, I'm trying to deduce the logic of the impact on bird predation as relates to keeping your cat entertained inside? I suspect the intent is to keep them indoors; with or without entertainment? Thank you for indulging; a lovely article; no doubt one of the most comprehensive available on the topic. Certainly worthy of featured status - as I will post in a moment. Regards --JimmyButler (talk) 23:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the wording could be revised. One of the problems with trying to paraphrase a source while remaining consistentent with it ... "Are urgued" sounds like advice, rather than "one authority urged". Entertainment? - maybe from the "a tired dog is a good dog" school of thought. I'll go back to the source and re-think. Thanks for your feedback. Marj (talk) 23:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Marj beat me to it/them - yes, the cat issue is a tricky one - I think the entertainment is more about what to do with a cat when it is indoors all the time (and hence getting skittish) rather than a specific preventative alternative as such, given that if they're outdoors they will hunt. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I think they didn't want to just say, "keep the cat indoors" without adding the condition that if you do you have to provide some sort of stimulation (at least if you want to keep your sofa intact). Marj (talk) 04:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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The Crescent Honeyeater (Phylidonyris pyrrhopterus) is a passerine bird native to south-eastern Australia. It is a fairly nondescript bird of dark grey plumage and paler underparts, highlighted by yellow wing patches and a broad, black crescent, outlined in white, down the sides of its breast. Females are slightly duller than males. It is found in areas of dense vegetation and its diet is made up of nectar and invertebrates.Photo: JJ Harrison

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Distribution and Habitat

"While the crescent honeyeater occupies a wide variety of habitats including coastal heath, rainforest, wet sclerophyll forest, mountain forest, alpine woodland, damp gullies and thick tea-tree scrub, they all demonstrate its preference for dense vegetation.[6]" The use of pronouns such as 'they' and 'its' are utilized incorrectly since you are talking about the crescent honeyeater, not the crescent honeyeater(s). I would change the sentence to "While the crescent honeyeaters occupy a wide variety of habitats including......... they all have an inclination for dense vegetation." That is all! Rodam0892 (talk) 01:08, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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