Talk:Cop Killer (song)

chronology

"In contrast to his earlier views of law enforcement, Ice T has played the role of a police officer in several movies and television shows, including New Jack City and Law and Order: Special Victims Unit."

in "contrast" to his "earlier" "VIEWS"? first of all, the lyrics of "Cop Killer" aren't his "views." it's an angry persona song. they hysteria over it is ridiculous. secondly, New Jack City was completely finished filming by june 1990 (released in 1991 I think), which i think was BEFORE the release of Body Count?

so if his acting roles as police officers is in contrast to anything-- which i don't think it is-- it's not in contrast to his "earlier" "views."

i'd change the wiki myself but some fool will probably change it back immediately.

I took out the Charlton Heston "irony" due to historic and mechanical inaccuracies. RegBarc

Um, "white boy Clapton" wasn't the first to record "I Shot The Sheriff" unless my musical knowledge is totally off. What happened to Bob Marley? (quick comment, they did mention Bob Marley)

This part is a quote. I just indented it to make this clearer. Brianski 02:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Anyone who argues that "I Shot the Sherriff" was a song about self defence fails to note that the song Cop Killer's CHORUS is "Cop Killer! Better you than me! Cop Killer! Fuck Police Brutality!" its not exactly about traffic cops getting popped off for no reason. its also about self defence, as most songs, films, and literature on the subject of police murder are.

why is this listed as a hip hop song? sure, it has ice-t but this song is clearly metal

With regards to the following paragraph starting with: "Several years later Tipper Gore (the wife of former vice president Al Gore) began a crusade against obscenity in music...."

The PMRC was founded in 1984, several years BEFORE the release of "Cop Killer" - it was the bane of many 80's rock and metal bands even before the increased popularity and dominance of hip hop and rap music in popular American culture. Parental Advisory stickers had been around for 7 years or so before the release of the song and "Cop Killer" had no influence on it's formation. The album originally featuring "Cop Killer" in fact also contains a song mentioning her. (written 11 june 2006)Godgirl 01:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)Godgirl

-- Agreed. When I read this, I went back on Tipper Gore. If nothing has anything to say about this, I consider removing the Tipper Gore part which, unless proven otherwise, is false. --Julien 02:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The arguments sections

Should probably be trimmed entirely. NPOV does not mean one POV half of the time and another the other half of the time. I'm adding a NPOV tag until those sections are deleted or changed into text not written from the POV of arguing for or against the song. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 01:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Why have a arguments section? why not just state the facts, the impact the album had at the time, and leave it at that. Talking about why it was good or bad interjects opinion into the article --70.230.215.122 04:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)Doem

Actually, I think you DO need an arguments section because that's the best way to illustrate the outrage and the defense at the time. You can't do that with "just the facts," because there's no context if you don't talk about how people reacted, and the quotes provided actually do a very good job of that. If anything, this section should be expanded. 172.144.16.217 17:02, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Who ever wrote this article is letting his beliefs write article not his brain. This article is out of line and has some definite flaws.

A quote is a fact. It not someones point of view that these things were said concerning the song. The significance of this song is the controversy surrounding it, and the controversy cannot be explained without considering what people at the time thought about the song. Archaeoptryx

Since the arguments section is now just more or less a series of straight quotes, from both sides of the argument, I'm going to remove the NPOV tag, since there's barely any room for bias on the part of the Wiki editors, unless it's in the selection of the quotes. If the person who put it here wants to explain here exactly which sections are biased and why, then go ahead. I am at a loss to work out which side the anonymous editor thinks the article is biased towards. Merely presenting two sides of an argument doesn't in itself constitute a bias.--Aim Here 05:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I fought the law and the law won

I have two questions. In the quotes section Dennis Martin states that "the Body Count album containing Cop Killer was shipped throughout the United States in miniature body bags". Was this the case? Secondly, was Cop Killer released as a single, and if so did it chart anywhere? Is it available in any official form today? Ashley Pomeroy 20:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

@Ashley Pomeroy Charlton Heston said that it was shipped in body bags, but he's a questionable source for that claim. As far as I can tell, it was only released as a single in Spain. It is not on official release anywhere today. Epa101 (talk) 10:50, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Lyrics

The article shouldn't give the full lyrics of the song. An excerpt or two should be fine, but not the whole thing. It's a copyright problem. Everyking 04:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Trivia, nescesssary?

I feel the trivia section is redundant and is essentially useless. It mentions 3 cover bands and nothing else, it's of no relevant information.70.49.252.14 02:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The outro to this song was borrowed by Rejected Youth for their song No Police State Coalition, that could be put in the trivia section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.129.193.162 (talk) 05:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

In other words, is 'cop killer' objectionable in some sense that other, similarly themed songs are not? And if so, why?

Is this sentence supposed to be contained within the quotation? Or is it just a stray thought? If the latter, it should be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DrDeke (talk • contribs) 20:08, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

the first sentence of the article is essentially plagiarized from the Ice T quote that appears later in the article. Changing a word or two is not good enough. Check your freshman composition handbook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.21.97 (talk) 14:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

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Tipper Gore

I removed references to Tipper Gore as a critic of the song. If you actually read the Washington Post article being cited you'll notice that it was written in 1990, before the release of Bodycount and that the article itself is criticizing a different earlier Ice-T song called "The Iceberg," which had a rape reference in it. If someone has a different source for her criticizing the actual "Cop Killer" song by all means re-add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roadshell (talk • contribs) 05:10, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Infobox photo

The infobox might give the impression that the "Radio EP" was the free single given away of "Cop Killer". It was not. It did have "Cop Killer" on it, but it had every other word censored for radio play. There were several other tracks on it, as you can see here. I would question if it's appropriate to have that in the infobox. Epa101 (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Release as a free single

I can see the reference that Ice-T said that he'd release this as a free single, but did that actually happen? I can find a free single released in Spain here, but that's it. We might not have a robust source that examines this, but we ought to apply some scepticism to Ice-T's own account of events. As I have noted on the Body Count page, his autobiography seemed either to exaggerate or fabricate an account of a riot at a gig in Milan in 1993, so its status as a robust source is questionable. Epa101 (talk) 22:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)