Talk:Constitution Day and Citizenship Day

Source request

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Can anyone cite a source about how Constitution Day is officially observed when the 17th falls on a weekend? I've included links to the laws that create the holiday and it mentions nothing about the proper observation.

Obviously an observation needs to be had on a weekday if educational programs are mandated, and everyone seems to agree that Constitution Day 2005 is on 16 September. But do I fly my flag on the 16th or the 17th? --TobyRush 14:51, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

The pertinent Presidential Proclamation mentions nothing about Constitution Day being celebrated on a weekday, so I'm guessing that the idea of celebrating it on an adjacent weekday is not legislated, just a common-sense application of the law on the part of the schools. Since the I can't find a contrary source, I'm going to edit the article to reflect that... --TobyRush 17:08, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Accuracy: Recently established?

While the Byrd amendment requiring schools to teach the Constitution on Constitution Day is new, the holiday itself wasn't recently established. I was aware of it a long time ago and recall calendars carrying the legend on September 17. Perhaps this is just an issue of wording rather than fact on the part of the author? PedanticallySpeaking 18:07, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Combine with Citizenship Day?

Apparently Citizenship Day and Constitution Day are the same holiday, celebrating the same thing. The law sources and the presidential proclamation label the day as "Citizenship Day and Constitution Day." Should we combine the two articles into an article by that name, and have Citizenship Day and Constitution Day both redirect to the single article? As a relatively new wikipedian, I am trying to be bold about editing but shuffling articles around seems scary and presumptuous... --TobyRush 17:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Magnet for Strange Edits

This page seems to attract lots of strange edits. I've reverted to the last good version, which is over four months old. The intermediate edits are simply a back-and-forth between people adding bad (e.g. unverified) or strange things to the article. I'm a Wikipedia noob, so I don't know exactly what to do here besides watch the page. I'll read up on relevant policies (e.g. is some form of protection appropriate). Bowmanjj 16:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Page name change

Since the holiday is officially called "Constitution Day and Citizenship Day", do you think the article should be moved to reflect that? I don't know if that is against style guidelines or something, but it seems that would be the accurate thing to do. Perhaps the article should be called "Constitution Day and Citizenship Day (United States)"?

BadgerOfDarkness (talk) 14:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

citizenship by "coming of age"?

The article says: "also recognizes all who have become citizens due to either coming of age or naturalization." The implication here is that children are not citizens, which is not correct. I'm correcting this. TJRC (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

This is the correct wording from the citation so I am reverting the change. Dyaimz (talk) 20:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I have to agree that this is "not correct" (one does not have to come to age to be a citizen) but that is what the language says so Dyaimz restoration is correct (not sure why it says that, perhaps some earlier language had something to do with coming of age and being able to vote, but probably somewhere along something got changed). Laws are written by individual staffers, committee staff, etc. and some strange language ends up in some of them. Thorkall (talk) 17:58, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Original intent of holiday

The article says that Olga T. Weber wanted to commemorate the ratification of the Constitution in 1789 (sic). The Constitution went into effect when New Hampshire ratified it June 21, 1788. Was Ms. Weber's original intent to have the holiday in June to commemorate ratification and it got changed to September to honor the signing of the Constitution? Or did she always mean it to be in September? The source document seems to be confused, at least in terms of what year the Constitution was ratified. M Pinck (talk) 21:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Date is unchanging, on Sep 17

Constitution day is on September 17. It can be celebrated or observed whenever you want, and the department of education specifically chooses to observe it on the closest weekday to September 17. That doesn't change, however, the official date. If you want to change it, please cite a reference that generally cites another date nationwide, and not just how some isolated departments or organizations choose to observe it. Additionally, if you do find such authoritative source, please enter the date in a manner that is compatible with the autolinking of such dates. Note this authoritative reference in law, which makes no mention of any change for weekdays/weekends: 36 U.S. Code § 106 - Constitution Day and Citizenship Day —Danorton (talk) 15:50, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

With specific regard to the actual date of Constitution Day in 2016, it clearly remains unchanged to a weekday from this Presidential proclamation: "...I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim September 17, 2016, as Constitution Day..." Source: Presidential Proclamation -- Constitution Day and Citizenship Day, Constitution Week, 2016 —Danorton (talk) 18:48, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

obvious conflict

By 1949, governors of all 48 states had issued Constitution Day proclamations.[5] On February 29, 1952, Congress moved the "I am an American Day" observation to September 17 and renamed it "Citizenship Day".[10][11]

What? 47.140.183.201 (talk) 03:16, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

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Reaffirmation?

Each year the current president proclaims the date and week for Constitution Day and Constitution Week. Is the intent of this 1-sentence section to indicate something other than this, with the use of the verb "reaffirm"? I don't see any functional difference between what President Trump did in the cited 2017 materials and, for example, what President Biden did on September 15, 2023 ([1]https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/09/15/a-proclamation-on-constitution-day-and-citizenship-day-and-constitution-week-2023/). An improvement would be to either update this with more recent presidential proclamations, or clarify that this is an annual occurrence no matter who is president. If the original author thinks Trump in 2017, uniquely, was doing something other than just marking the day as usual, then explain the use of the term "reaffirmation." Jeans775 (talk) 20:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)