Talk:Classical education in the Western world

merge proposal from "Classical education movement"

@Skyerise: this article is great. However, I'm noting your suggestion over at the Classical education movement article to merge it into this one and inviting discussion of this question here. From what I'm seeing, the length of both articles and the extensive sources covering them both as distinct topics justify keeping and developing both of them with references to each other. Jjhake (talk) 04:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jjhake: This article covers the classical education movement, and there is a lot of duplicated background material common to the two articles. Really they should be merged and then this article should be moved to Classical education. There is no real need for a disambiguation page that only exists because the topic was split along POV lines. Also, much of the Classical education movement article is completely unsourced - that material would not be merged unless someone is going to take the time to cite it. If that material were removed right away, it would result in a much stubbier article being merged that it currently would appear. Skyerise (talk) 14:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Fully developed and sourced as they each should be, the "Classical education movement" article would be referenced within the full "Classical education" article, but the "Classical education movement" article should be specifically about the well-documented development in the past four decades of a movement or renewal inspired by the longer tradition in the full article. I'll be glad to work with you and others on this overall two-article structure which makes the most sense as the objective. Jjhake (talk) 16:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Sure. I've removed the merge proposal for now. Skyerise (talk) 01:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

lack of any material on the first integration of classical education within the Christian tradition

Article needs a section covering how the classical tradition was interacted into the Christian tradition by figures such as Justin Martyr and Origen of Alexandria and most explicitly with the Cappadocian Fathers in Greek and finally with educators in the Latin tradition such as Augustine of Hippo and Cassiodorus. --Jjhake (talk) 05:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

One of many key sources here pulling this history together is the chapter "The Church Fathers and the Humanities in the Renaissance and the Reformation" by Irena Backus in Re-Envisioning Christian Humanism: Education and the Restoration of Humanity (edited by Jens Zimmermann from Oxford UP, 2016). I'll pull a few such sources together to fill a bit of this gap in this new article. --Jjhake (talk) 16:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

That'd be great. Skyerise (talk) 01:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Great! I look forward to working together in this space. I move slowly but will stay with it for a while as you've done so much great work and it has been a mess for a while. Jjhake (talk) 21:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)