Talk:Christmas carp

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 talk 17:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Carp in a bathtub with onlooker

Christmas Eve carp dinner

• ... that the Christmas carp swims in a bathtub for a few days before becoming Christmas Eve dinner?

• Source: "He then placed the carp in a big, strong plastic bag and handed it to Marada's parents. In keeping with time-old tradition, his parents took the carp home and placed it in the bathtub - its new home - where it would swim for a few days before ending up on the table for Christmas Eve dinner." NY Times

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Moe's Books
• Comment: For Christmas Eve. Alternate hooks welcome.

Created by Thriley (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 156 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 18:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).

• Comment Supermarkets end live carp sales, because of animal right concerns. To be politically correct, we should use past tense in the hook. Grimes2 (talk) 20:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Alt0a: ... that in former times the Christmas carp swam in a bathtub for a few days before becoming Christmas Eve dinner? Grimes2 (talk) 20:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Alt0b: ... that it was tradition that the Christmas carp swims in a bathtub for a few days before becoming Christmas Eve dinner? Grimes2 (talk) 20:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Moved from mainspace recently enough, long enough. QPQ is done.

• The lead is written from a source rather than summarising the article, and its information should be tweaked. Rather than just saying "fasting", which might imply no food, it is probably best to specify the key factor of the fasting, the not eating meat ("Fleisch zu verzichten" in the source), although perhaps it also needs to be stated that in the Christian cultural context fish isn't meat. It is probably also worth pointing out from that source that carp was likely just a local fish, rather than being special in its own right.
• Might be worth including some translations somewhere, the common German name seems to be Weihnachtskarpfen for example, although the fun Badewannen-Karpfen seems worth including too (although its link is not live) and this cited source gives us the English Bathtub carp which is a fun inclusion as well.
• The article lacks a timeframe of the tradition, the cited Czech recipe states it is only a couple of hundred years old there, but it seems it may be older elsewhere and perhaps that's only the specific recipe (a Czech speaker may know more).

I don't have a strong opinion on the tense of the hook, will look more into the sources for that in a bit, but thought I'd leave this initial note on the lead which I think should be fixed before mainspace, as well as the other notes I mentioned which came up while checking the sources. CMD (talk) 10:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: Thank you for your review. I have expanded the lead. How’s it looking? Thriley (talk) 02:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Grimes2 that specifying the bathtub is tradition matches what I can get from the sources, so Alt0b seems the best, supported by non-English sources. New lead is better, overall meets DYK. CMD (talk) 17:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Alt0C: ... that the Christmas carp traditionally swims in a bathtub for a few days before becoming Christmas Eve dinner?

This flows better. Supermarkets have only very recently ended live carp sales. Plenty of people privately can do it if they catch their own. Thriley (talk) 17:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree. @DYK admins: I've looked through this and can't see any issues, but as this has a request for a date already queued it would be better if this went straight there.--Launchballer 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)