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Some good sources for verification
editComment taken from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#A few problematic articles by User:Jinnai:
here is a pre-order plushie of one of them, here is some commentary on the game and specifically in 2 paragraph about the character's presentation, though it may not meett WP:RS. [This one does, but the commentary on characters isn't as much, but still there. This site goes into more detail, even referencing characters breifly from Persona 3 to compare and contrast giving a level of analysis. Other ones from this list probably also have info.
Cultural Impact
editI'm looking at the (empty) Cultural Impact section. Does this page need its own Cultural Impact section? It seems like that belongs in the main Persona 4 article (and is covered there by the "Critical Reception" and "Related Media and Merchandise" sections. I would be happy to be persuaded otherwise, though. Energy Dome (talk) 15:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- No response after a couple of days, so I will boldly delete the section. Feel free to revert if further discussion is warranted. Energy Dome (talk) 22:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Yū Narukami
editShould we mention how Yū Narukami "interacts" with the other characters in Persona 4: The Animation? -017Bluefield (talk) 16:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
- Excessive details about Narukami's behaviour in the anime could easily be deemed as fancruft, so only significant traits should be mentioned (for example he is more straightforward when talking).Tintor2 (talk) 02:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- And how he makes origami cranes. (Well, maybe.) Either way, gotcha. -017Bluefield (talk) 09:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Chie Satonaka's voice actress
editThe article states she was voiced by Danielle Judovits, which isn't true. Tracey Rooney is the actress who voiced Chie. Here's a sample of her voice: http://www.traceyrooney.com/audio/Tracey%20Rooney%20vo%20demo.mp3
So I'm changing it. HighLight43 (talk) 09:47, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Should use a reliable source.Tintor2 (talk) 12:13, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Characters
editWhat's with the addition of more minor characters? There are some that never interact in the game and others who have almost nothing to talk about.Tintor2 (talk) 12:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- I only wrote them as preliminary entries because they exist in the game and have had speaking roles in the anime. There was absolutely no reason for you to remove them.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Various reasons actually. How are these characters important for the game's plot and the other characters? Tanaka never interacts with the protagonist (he is already mentioned in Characters of Persona 3 to begin with), Yuuta's already mentioned in Minami's section, Old Lady Shiroku and Master Daidara (who don't even give their names) are just for shopping purposes. Such small roles make them fail notability and make them more suitable for sites for fans.Tintor2 (talk) 23:57, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) only covers standalone content, by the way. No notability policy or guideline concerns content within other articles. Yuuta's section has been reincorporated into his mother's, Kaneko is gone from this page, but Old Lady Shiroku and Master Daidara (who don't have actual names as far as we are ever aware) do have some sort of importance as shop characters, and ehy are given speaking roles in the anime.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:12, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Shop characters happen to be important for the game's items, while they are already have their one-episode mention in the episode list (which are really short appearances). They could easily be labeled as fancruft due to their lack of impact to the plot and/or other characters. Tintor2 (talk) 00:21, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- That may be your opinion. But they are named and they have spoken roles and we may as well mention them here.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:30, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Not really, I just cited the a guideline and just because they have voice actors does not make them notable (Ameno Sagiri doesn't have one) and you already proved it by removing Kaneko and Yuuta's sections. If we had to follow that logic, every single character in the series like "Gossiping student" and other would be needed. Also, everything about Tanaka is in Characters of Persona 3.Tintor2 (talk) 00:33, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- WP:Fancruft is not a guideline. And they have voiced roles in the anime, they are named characters in the video game, and they are listed here. Just because we do not have that much to say about them outside of their role in the video game and their spoken parts in the anime, does not mean there is going to be some sort of slipperly slope on the matter. And perhaps the Tanaka stuff can be removed here, but Old Lady Shiroku and Master Daidara should remain.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- The small amount of information within their sections already makes them stubs for the list. Even though they have voice actors and the official anime site has them, it does not mean they are important for the plot or other characters. Additionally, their only appearances are already noted in the episode list.Tintor2 (talk) 00:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- There is no such thing as a stub section. Stop applying guidelines and policies regarding articles as a whole to singular sections within a larger article.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:49, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Did I mention a guideline? I just meant the sections were notably short as they contain less than five sentences and don't have impact to other characters. Nevertheless, stub sections actually exist and that's why there's the Expand template.Tintor2 (talk) 00:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- It does not matter how much we can or cannot write about these two particular characters. They are named. They have spoken parts in the anime. And they appear in the video game. That should be enough. And I am not going to continue going back and forth with you on this issue.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- And still no importance for them. Just because they appear in one episode in the anime with two or three lines does not make them more important. Moreover, you keep adding more minor characters in such a pointless format even though they contradict everything you say. An encyclopedia article is supposed to show what is important for the general reader, not every single character. If the use of three sentence sections is so necessary, the official site could simply be used as an external link.Tintor2 (talk) 05:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- It does not matter how much we can or cannot write about these two particular characters. They are named. They have spoken parts in the anime. And they appear in the video game. That should be enough. And I am not going to continue going back and forth with you on this issue.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Did I mention a guideline? I just meant the sections were notably short as they contain less than five sentences and don't have impact to other characters. Nevertheless, stub sections actually exist and that's why there's the Expand template.Tintor2 (talk) 00:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- There is no such thing as a stub section. Stop applying guidelines and policies regarding articles as a whole to singular sections within a larger article.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:49, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- The small amount of information within their sections already makes them stubs for the list. Even though they have voice actors and the official anime site has them, it does not mean they are important for the plot or other characters. Additionally, their only appearances are already noted in the episode list.Tintor2 (talk) 00:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- WP:Fancruft is not a guideline. And they have voiced roles in the anime, they are named characters in the video game, and they are listed here. Just because we do not have that much to say about them outside of their role in the video game and their spoken parts in the anime, does not mean there is going to be some sort of slipperly slope on the matter. And perhaps the Tanaka stuff can be removed here, but Old Lady Shiroku and Master Daidara should remain.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Not really, I just cited the a guideline and just because they have voice actors does not make them notable (Ameno Sagiri doesn't have one) and you already proved it by removing Kaneko and Yuuta's sections. If we had to follow that logic, every single character in the series like "Gossiping student" and other would be needed. Also, everything about Tanaka is in Characters of Persona 3.Tintor2 (talk) 00:33, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- That may be your opinion. But they are named and they have spoken roles and we may as well mention them here.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:30, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Shop characters happen to be important for the game's items, while they are already have their one-episode mention in the episode list (which are really short appearances). They could easily be labeled as fancruft due to their lack of impact to the plot and/or other characters. Tintor2 (talk) 00:21, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) only covers standalone content, by the way. No notability policy or guideline concerns content within other articles. Yuuta's section has been reincorporated into his mother's, Kaneko is gone from this page, but Old Lady Shiroku and Master Daidara (who don't have actual names as far as we are ever aware) do have some sort of importance as shop characters, and ehy are given speaking roles in the anime.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:12, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Various reasons actually. How are these characters important for the game's plot and the other characters? Tanaka never interacts with the protagonist (he is already mentioned in Characters of Persona 3 to begin with), Yuuta's already mentioned in Minami's section, Old Lady Shiroku and Master Daidara (who don't even give their names) are just for shopping purposes. Such small roles make them fail notability and make them more suitable for sites for fans.Tintor2 (talk) 23:57, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
This is a list of characters. I am adding more characters to the list. Why is this a problem?—Ryulong (竜龙) 05:58, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- The fact that the characters have no impact at in the game. This is supposed to be an encyclopedic article so information should important to the general reader. Their only in-game information just tells what are their shops about which is certainly not important. If they never interact with a character for something important, what makes their mention significant? Moreover, the characters' primary media is the game, not the anime. The manga also shows more minor characters, but there is no need to list each of them unless they are mentioned in others characters.Tintor2 (talk) 18:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well I have not read the manga to add this information myself. All I know is that these characters make appearances in the anime and this is merely a list of characters of "Persona 4". It does not limit itself to being just about the video game because it has now gone multimedia.—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- But they are still pretty small and insignificant to an article that's supposed to be encyclopedic.Tintor2 (talk) 20:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- @Tintor2: I get the impression that you do not understand what the word "encyclopedic" means. Removing legible information is considered vandalism by Wikipedia standards, refrain from doing so. 175.134.44.29 (talk) 21:28, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
- But they are still pretty small and insignificant to an article that's supposed to be encyclopedic.Tintor2 (talk) 20:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well I have not read the manga to add this information myself. All I know is that these characters make appearances in the anime and this is merely a list of characters of "Persona 4". It does not limit itself to being just about the video game because it has now gone multimedia.—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- The fact that the characters have no impact at in the game. This is supposed to be an encyclopedic article so information should important to the general reader. Their only in-game information just tells what are their shops about which is certainly not important. If they never interact with a character for something important, what makes their mention significant? Moreover, the characters' primary media is the game, not the anime. The manga also shows more minor characters, but there is no need to list each of them unless they are mentioned in others characters.Tintor2 (talk) 18:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Protagonist's name
editWith the release of Persona 4 Arena, there have been various sections that mention the main character as Yu Narukami, the name he has in such game and the anime series. Although in the Persona 4 Golden opening he is referred as "Hero" (for being the game's protagonist), Atlus' collaboration to the arcade card game Lord of Vermilion Re:2 that includes Persona characters has the protagonist's name as Yu Narukami. Should the section's title be changed to Yu Narukami and all mentions of "the protagonist" be replaced with "Yu Narukami" for consistency's sake? This is a bit different from the main character of Persona 2 who already had Tatsuya Shou as a default name that could be changed (unlike in Persona 4 where there was no default name), so I was looking for opinions. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 01:35, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. I think we should use "Yu Narukami" to be consistent. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:39, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- I support Yu Narukami as well. Sergecross73 msg me 02:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, we should go with "Yu Narukami". ZappaOMati 03:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- I think it's fine to change to Yu Narakami. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 13:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the responses. Changed the name in all of the parts of the list.Tintor2 (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- I think it's fine to change to Yu Narakami. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 13:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Japanese Translations
editI cross-checked this a bit with the Anime and Manga project, but I feel that this article is taking Japanese translations a bit too far (there was a point where even "gas station attendant" had a nihongo tag). I understand how important "Investigation Team" is to the story, but there is no reason that we need a nihongo translation tag for it - or for the tarot decks, some of the persona names, etc.
I propose removing the translate tags for all of the following on the article:
- General translated terms ("Investigation Team", "Seekers of the Truth", etc.)
- Tarot cards
- Western names, like Margaret, where the Japanese version is just a phonic spelling.
- Personas not based on Japanese culture, such as "High Pixie" or "Isis"
Of course, we should keep the translations on actual Japanese names. Since this is a significant change, however, I want to discuss this over with people before WP:BOLD-ing it into the article. ↢ RemorA ↣ 21:35, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- Actually, going to just WP:BOLD it for now. Feel free to revert and discuss if there are any issues. ↢ RemorA ↣ 21:38, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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