Talk:Chaleo Yoovidhya

Delete

I nominated this article for deletion. Not because the subject is not notable, he clearly is. But because the article is poorly written and most of it was copied word for word from the two sources, The Bangkok Post and Forbes. If somebody wants to clean up the article and reword things so we are using the sources as sources and not just copying them (which is against the law) - then I would be willing to withdraw my objection that this article be included on Wikipedia. DegenFarang (talk) 15:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

An article requiring cleanup is NOT a reason to delete an article. Notability is determined by the existence of outside sources. When you consider this man's death made the world news, keeping it was the right decision.Ryoung122 21:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

As DegenFarang clearly noted, in 2010 the question was not notability but that most of the article had been copied and pasted straight from other sources out of copyright. It seems the article was stripped back and rebuilt from then. Span (talk) 22:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Date of Birth

This article states the DOB as being in 1923 but the cited articles state ages that suggest the date of birth would be ~10 years later than this. The Bangkok Post says he was born in 1932. Webcitation says he was 80 which again would suggest 1932. Forbes says 77 but was publisted in 2009.

Looks like the Bangkok news article was updated as I wrote this, the body text now states he died aged 80. The AP article cited later in this page also notes the discrepancy: NPR

It seems to me that it is presently unclear as to exactly what year Chaleo was born, but this page is reporting it as 1923 without noting the discrepancy at all. 66.187.233.202 (talk) 16:50, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

There is certainly unclarity about his birthdate, it seems. As well as NPR (noted above),The New York Times notes that three dates have been put forward by different sources: "The Nation, a Thai newspaper, reported that he was 90, while several other news media outlets in Thailand said he was 88. Forbes recently put his age at 80." The BBC also acknowledge the lack of solid sources: "Mr Chaleo was born of poor Chinese immigrant parents in the northern province of Phichit, reportedly in 1932, local media say". The Australian and Time say he was 89. The Telegraph and The Independent say 1923. It's not so unusual. I will include a note in the article to this effect. Thanks for flagging it up. Span (talk) 22:07, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

/* Family */ grandson Vorayuth Yoovidhya

Let's not remove this without first reaching a consensus; it may not shake the whole world, but special privileges afforded the offspring of the hyper-rich do shake up this part of it, in the extraordinarily rare cases when it has been exposed. --Pawyilee (talk) 06:13, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Thailand#Bloated_section_in_the_Chaleo_Yoovidhya_article has a suggestion for creating Killing of Wichian Klanprasert by Vorayuth Yoovidhya. Any other suggestions other than ignoring it entirely? See news results for Vorayuth Yoovidhya at Yahoo! --Pawyilee (talk) 13:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

additional charges --Pawyilee (talk) 10:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

still making news --Pawyilee (talk) 05:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

arrest Kendall-K1 (talk) 18:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I believe there is absolutely no justification for the paragraph about the subject's grandson or his alleged evasion of the law being retained in this article. I have already deleted mention of expiry of the statute of limitations as this goes way too far off topic and is clearly trying to influence the reader that there has been unfairness in some rich kid avoiding the law. Leave this to a blog or campaigning newspaper - not an encyclopaedia article about his grandfather. Or go create an article on the grandson himself. In drafting this discussion, and reading the original 2012 comments by Pawyilee, I am more convinced this section is being used for campaigning purposes. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:53, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Reliable sources do indeed report that there has been unfairness in some rich kid avoiding the law. It's irrelevant here though, and definitely should be split into its own separate article. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:14, 30 March 2017 (UTC)