Talk:Century Association

Meh

"Controversy" section is not well written and perhaps misnamed? Still Notable I would think. Pär Larsson (talk) 16:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

You added that section and then criticized it? If you think it's not well written, fix it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Clubhouse on East 15th Street not H.H. Richardson?

The best information I have contradicts what's stated in this article:

The club's first permanent headquarters was located at 111 East 15th Street, between Union Square East and Irving Place, and was built in 1869 as designed by Charles Gambrill and Henry Hobson Richardson, both members of the club. The clubhouse was one of Richardson's early works, before he became one of the most influential architects in the United States,[2] and he joined the team after Gambrill, who was later his partner, had already begun the design: Richardson added the mansard roof.[9] The building is the oldest surviving clubhouse in Manhattan, and has been a New York City landmark since 1993.[2] The exterior was restored and the interior converted in 1996-1997[2] by Beyer Blinder Belle,[9] and in recent years it has been the Century Center for the Performing Arts, which had a 248-seat theatre, a ballroom and a studio. As of 2006 it is the New York production facility for Trinity Broadcasting Network, a religious television company.[10]

According to my information: in 1867–1869, H.H. Richardson and his partner Gambrill designed an addition to a pre-existing building. Gambrill & Richardson's remodeling consisted of adding an art gallery on the back. The pre-existing building, located at 42 East 15th Street, was purchased by the Century Association in 1857, before Richardson was even an architect. The entire building, including the Richardson addition, was demolished when the Centurion's moved out in 1891. This on page 41 in Jeffrey Karl Ochsner's H.H. Richardson: Complete Architectural Works, generally considered definitive. I'm tempted to change article accordingly, but don't have access to the works cited here. Any reason to think Ochsner is incorrect here? Thanks! --Frankie Rae (talk) 20:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

The information cited is from two extremely reputable works, the AIA Guide to NYC and the NYC Landmarks Preservation Commission's Guide to NYC Landmarks. It wouild be extremely unlikely they both made such a serious error, although not impossible. What's the date on the Ochesner book, and who published it? Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I'm confused -- you're referring to 42 East 15th, which would have been across the street from the building being referred to in the article, 111 East 15th Street. Whatever was at 42 is no longer extant, since S. Klein's on the Square was there until the Zeckendorf Towers were built. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

You can see why I was confused as well. The Ochsner book is older, from 1984, and states that 42 East 15th was the first home of the Century Association, and that building was demolished in 1891. I've been updating info on Richardson, stumbled across this article, and have puzzled over it for a week or so. Thoughts? --Frankie Rae (talk) 01:19, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

OK, there are several things involved simultaneously. I tracked down the source at New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission, (Former) Century Association Building. On pages 2 and 3 it indicates that the pre-existing building was at 42 East 15th Street, which was subsequently renumbered to 109-111 (who knew?). This building was then remodeled twice, once by Joseph C. Wells, and then later rather extensively (more extensively than Ochsner appeared to understand in 1984) by Gambrill who probably brought in his new partner Richardson. I can work with that. Feel free to make the edits, or I'll get around to it eventually. Thanks!--Frankie Rae (talk) 01:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

If you have a clear understanding of the sequence, then please go ahead and make the edits when you can. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I've now made these changes. Thanks!--Frankie Rae (talk) 00:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:Century Association members

The Category:Century Association members has been deleted: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 December 12#Category:Century Association members. The closer created a list with 1724 members of that category at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 December 12 just before the deletion. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Source material

To editor Ɱ: Be advised that using archival material (a primary source) is inappropriate on Wikipedia as its use would constitute original research. Further, using information held by the Century Association Archives Foundation on this article would not be independent and would be self-promotional. Any work you've been commissioned to perform on this article also needs to be declared here. For those reasons, I recommend that you re-consider the scope of your work on this project. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification. My draft is not up for assessment at this time, I won't want to discuss sources at this time either. I had been creating a draft for this article; I'm not sure what the status is. I don't think declaration is yet relevant before I pursue any live changes. And thank you for your opinion. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 17:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

To editor Ɱ: You have been informed years ago that disclosure is necessary in all places where you have a COI, including drafts, discussions, and additionally for all paid edits a legal requirement to edit Wikipedia. Please reconsider your rash reply above, or get a trusted editor to help. Widefox; talk 21:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

If I was proposing changes here, or trying to do anything else here, a disclosure would be necessary. But I am not. I'm simply writing my own drafts on my own. There's nothing in PAID or the TOU that states you have to disclose your COI in places you're not even trying to do anything. Should I disclose in 2014 NBA Finals too? ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 23:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Question

Hi all, just to be transparent - I split up with the archives related to this club over two years ago now, so any paid relationship and contact ended there. I'm now stuck with a rather large draft article and no commitment to post any or all of it, though I think it would benefit the article. I've been reminded to actually put some of my work to use after a few CSDs of the draft for laying dormant. Are there any concerns if I add parts of this into the article? ɱ (talk) 17:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Ɱ, just came across your draft. I haven't looked at it in depth, but I don't have any objections to putting this info into the page if you don't still have a COI. Would it help if we pinged other interested contributors? epicgenius (talk) 21:29, 11 February 2020 (UTC)