Talk:Cemil Bey

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved to Cemil Bey. --BDD (talk) 17:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

– per WP:COMMONNAME:

• "Tanburi Cemil Bey" Numerous
• "Tamburi Cemil Bey" - fewer than 12
• "Tambouri Djemil Bey" 2

An user had changed the title without discussion. Even the Turkish Language Association changed its orthography (tanbur was changed to tambur), Proper nouns must not be changed. Tanburi Cemil Bey is a proper noun and common name in English language. Tanburi Cemil Bey died in 1916 and in the Ottoman language, طنبورى (Tanburi, Tanbûrî) was common use.

Cf. In Arabic.

• "طمبوري جميل " (Tamburi Djemil)
• "طنبورى جميل" (Tanburi Djemil)

Relisted. BDD (talk) 17:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC) Takabeg (talk) 03:04, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

• Question - Hi Takabeg, the move from "n" to "m" was in 2009 and is in line with spelling of tambur so the lack of discussion of the move is not that relevant now. What's more of a question I guess is why we need "tanburi/tamburi" in front of the name at all. Sure I understand that it's traditional as WP:HONORIFIC with famous instrumentalists to prefix with the instrument in this manner, but there are still plenty of English sources which say "musician... Cemil Bey." I would feel more comfortable with simply a move to Cemil Bey (which already redirects here). Can you comment on why it is important to add "tamburi"? Do we have many other musician articles that prefix the instrument in this manner? Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:19, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

There were many Cemil Beys. But I think "Cemil Bey" is also possible. Takabeg (talk) 05:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay well, thanks, I support that as first choice if possible please. There others, but he is the only Cemil Bey on tr.wp. Thanks again. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:46, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

• Relisting comment Due to an error with the initial listing, it appeared that this request had already been carried out. Given that and the low discussion so far, relisting seems appropriate. --BDD (talk) 17:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

• Support move to Cemil Bey as suggested by IIO and accepted by nom. This already redirects here. Andrewa (talk) 06:02, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 8 January 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Discussion did not result in a consensus that moving would be preferable. (non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:51, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

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Cemil Bey → Tanburi Cemil Bey – Per WP:COMMONNAME and "Cemil Bey" is a very common name for people, making the current title problematic. There is Mehmed Cemil Bey, Mesut Cemil (which entering "Cemil Bey" also returns on the Internet), and so on. Cemil Bey simply applies to any Ottoman personality named Cemil. People will also scratch their head for just "Cemil Bey," and I have not encountered a single source that calls "Tanburi Cemil Bey" just "Cemil Bey." Ayıntaplı (talk) 17:23, 8 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 17:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:57, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Turkey has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

pinging editors from previous move discussion, most of whom seem to be still active: @BDD, Takabeg, In ictu oculi, and Andrewa: please free to ping if I missed someone. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:57, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Granted there are other articless including two mentioned above which might be called this or have redirects to them, no case has been made against this person being the primary topic in English. Hatnotes should point to the others. Andrewa (talk) 15:44, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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